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Hi everyone,
I need to send out 50kg of Acetone from one site to another, for that I contract an independent transport company.
Do I have a legal requirement to ensure the transport company is authorised to carry dangerous goods in this small quantity?
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Is it sufficient to pass the goods information to the transport company leaving all legal responsibility to them?
The reason of my questions is that I have a transport company that is not ADR certified but willing to take the load, where does the responsibility lies?
Say there was a spillage due to a road accident with environmental consequences or even the substance ignited causing an explosion that could kill others.
Would it all be down to the transport company, or would I get done too?
Thank you for viewing and your comments.
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De Melo36433,
Seems like we all have numbers now 36433 this is 22248.
FYI:
ADR certificate is not required for Acetone (UN1090) which is transport category 2 until over 333kg is being carried (taking that no other dangerous goods are on board).
The requirements would be a 2kg fire extinguisher and the driver requires awareness training.
Full ADR, vehicle marking, documentation, instructions in writing and other requirements would take affect at over 333kgs.
Regards
David Ritchie
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Hi David,
Initially I thought I had been linked with the wrong user, but then I did realise I was 36433.
Thank you for your answer which is a big help as far as the quantities I have to deal with.
I did look at table 3.4.6 of the ADR and all I could see was that for LQ4 one could carry 3l per pack and totalling a max of 30kg reading from paragraph 3.4.1.2
I am not that familiar with ADR and I won’t get that familiar with ADR just by quickly scanning through over 600 pages of regulations. Not questioning your reply which I have accepted, could you direct me to how you have reached to the 333kgs as, now and then I will have to send out small quantities of resins as well and I would like to be able to do this exercise for myself.
Now I know that most of ADR won’t apply to me anyway, but to satisfy my curiosity, if I did exceed the 333kgs, would the transport company be fully responsible for the goods, or would it come back to me in the case of an incident if I had not ensured I had used an authorised or ADR certified transport company?
Rod De Melo
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Have you considered a more environmentally product than Acetone ?
Try talking to your chemical supplier about your application and you may find with a friendlier product you will have less restriction.
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We have in fact considered better alternatives and are in constant contact with our suppliers to try and improve all the time.
I now know where the 333kgs is coming from (Transport Categories, TC), I am still having a bit of a problem understanding the multiplier, but will get there.
This post has now been viewed over 200 times and although I have been guided in the right direction, my question has not really been answered. It makes me wonder about responsibilities' awareness in general.
If I tell my transport company about the dangerous substances they need to carry and give them the safety datasheets, have I passed all my responsibilities to the transport company regarding the transportation of the load?, is it up to them to decide if they comply with the law or should I?
Thank you all.
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Hi,
The answer to your question can be found in ADR Volume 1 chapter 1.4.
It explains the safety obligations of the participants
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Thank you phargreaves04.
This is the problem of jumping sections, there just isn't a quick way of learning.
It's going to be some bedtime reading :)
Thank you all for your helpful comments
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I will test you tomorrow !! only 2 volumes both 600 hundred pages each.
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