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Fionn  
#1 Posted : 24 November 2009 10:52:44(UTC)
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Fionn

In our office we have two doors, a single door out to a fire stairs and the back of the building and double doors out to the front of the building. The double doors are the main doors used.

If there was a fire we would use the double doors unless circumstances dictated otherwise.

Our office is on the first floor and there are normally five people in the office plus the occasional member of staff dropping in.

The double doors are not very well fitted and are draughty. A member of staff sits by them and becomes very uncomfortable each time the door is opened. We think this could be reduced if we could fix a slide bolt to one of these doors and just use the other.

I would appreciate some expert thoughts on whether locking one of these double doors would compromise our Health or safety.
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 24 November 2009 11:05:26(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Possibly but it will depend on the findings of your risk assessment. A couple of questions;

Do members of the public come into your building?

Is there anything stopping you getting the doors replaced/repaired?
Fionn  
#3 Posted : 24 November 2009 11:10:12(UTC)
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Fionn

Members of the public do not come into the office, and expense is the main reason why we have come up with this solution.

The double doors open onto a narrow corridor and through a single door down the stairs, so having a double door wouldn't help to evacuate the room any quicker.

Have I just answered my own question?
Safety Smurf  
#4 Posted : 24 November 2009 11:36:33(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Its certainly a contributung factor. You say that your double doors exit out into a corridor. Do I take then the the building is multi occupancy? I'm assuming that that your office is typical and there are no other activities?
Fionn  
#5 Posted : 24 November 2009 11:42:25(UTC)
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Fionn

No all occupied by the one company, it's a shop and warehouse downstairs, offices upstairs.

Nothing exciting happens in our office, just the usual photocopying, emailing and eating biscuits......

(Thanks for helping Smurf!)
Safety Smurf  
#6 Posted : 24 November 2009 11:48:39(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

From the sound of it they should be fire doors and be maintained to standard. Any idea on the age of the building?
Fionn  
#7 Posted : 24 November 2009 11:59:21(UTC)
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Fionn

The door in the corridor opening onto the stairs is a proper fire door and we keep that one closed.

The double doors to the office are swing doors so when someone walks in they whoosh around a bit causing a killer draught for the lady who sits near them.

The building is around 30 to 35 years old. These doors are about 10 years old.

I wondered if there would be a problem in keeping one of these bolted shut to minimise the draught? It would reduce the width of the egress from the office to taht of a normal sized single door.
Safety Smurf  
#8 Posted : 24 November 2009 12:18:31(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

If its not a fire door I can't see it being a problem, subject to making sure that everyone who uses the door is aware. However, it sounds like it should be a fire door. How long has your employer been in occupancy of this building?

Also, what is the fire loading of the warehouse (nature of product / density / nature of storage)?
Fionn  
#9 Posted : 24 November 2009 12:53:36(UTC)
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Fionn

The offices have been here around 9 years , the shop and warehouse were here a couple of years before that.

We are an electrical retailers, I am not sure what you mean by density, the warehouse sadly isn't as full as it used to be due to the current economic climate, and we store our stock mainly in boxes on palletts. Sometimes the stock are piled two high, depending on the product.

We did have a visit from the Fire Brigade a couple of months ago, and they didn't seem to have a problem with the doors as they are, however their visit was a casual familiarisation visit.
Barrie(Badger)Etter  
#10 Posted : 24 November 2009 12:54:22(UTC)
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Barrie(Badger)Etter

IMHO as I see it either exit has a route to outside and there are only 5 people in the office concerned, unless other activities take place there I don't see a major problem restricting one door providing all occupants of the building can exit in under 2 -3 minutes.

Badger
Fionn  
#11 Posted : 24 November 2009 12:58:14(UTC)
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Fionn

Thanks very much for your advise, Badger and Smurf.

It is very much appreciated.
androo  
#12 Posted : 24 November 2009 13:29:51(UTC)
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androo

I agree with Badger and SS. Even if you lock one of the double doors you still have the other one and the fire exit (which is presumably a single door) to get out of the office. If you can't get 5 or 6 people out in less than 3 minutes then there are other problems that need looking at.
shaunmckeever  
#13 Posted : 24 November 2009 17:20:34(UTC)
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Quite simple really. In the event of a fire you would assume the worst case scenario and assume the largest exit is obstructed by the fire, in this case the double door. You are now reliant on the remaining exit to have sufficient exit capacity for all the occupants. If this is sufficient then all you have to do is make sure that the width of the double door is not made to be less than the width of the other exit door.
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