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Michael Emery  
#1 Posted : 14 January 2010 09:23:46(UTC)
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Michael Emery

Dear all, Can anyone tell me what a Category 1 Confined Space is? I thought I was familiar with the Confined Space Regulations but I have to admit that I haven't come across this categorisation before. Thanks in anticipation, Michael
Cadman33392  
#2 Posted : 14 January 2010 09:44:20(UTC)
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Cadman33392

Michael Emery wrote:
Dear all, Can anyone tell me what a Category 1 Confined Space is? I thought I was familiar with the Confined Space Regulations but I have to admit that I haven't come across this categorisation before. Thanks in anticipation, Michael
Cadman33392  
#3 Posted : 14 January 2010 09:45:30(UTC)
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Cadman33392

Category 1 – High risk areas which are commonly known to have a build-up of contaminants or oxygen deficiency, or a combination of these factors in addition to hot work being performed eg. silos, pits containing chemicals or grains, sewers. These areas require special precautions prior to and during working in the space. These confined spaces can be immediately hazardous to life and some precautions are required. Chemical levels may change during normal work in category 1 confined spaces and become unsafe. Atmospheric monitoring must be ongoing during work in these areas to ensure a safe working environment. Category 2 – Medium risk areas which may be hazardous because of an unusual and unexpected build-up of contaminant, or where there may be additional hazards such as noise, temperature, and manual handling. hope this helps
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 14 January 2010 10:00:13(UTC)
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Canopener

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure that neither the regs or the ACoP specify any catergories. However, many organisations do tend to catergorise spaces along the lines that Cadman has mentioned in order to try and differentiate between the different levels of risks and the different controls needed. Any such catergories are for you to decide and determine.
Michael Emery  
#5 Posted : 14 January 2010 10:19:45(UTC)
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Michael Emery

Thanks Cadman. Could you tell me please where your categorisation comes from? From another source I've had it suggested that there are 4 categories of which category 1 is the least risky. Regards, Michael
RayRapp  
#6 Posted : 14 January 2010 11:02:02(UTC)
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RayRapp

Like the above poster, I am not aware of any official categorisation for confined spaces entry. Whilst the notion has some logic, it is also clear that it could cause some confusion if different organisations used different categories.
yulkok  
#7 Posted : 14 January 2010 16:50:58(UTC)
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yulkok

Water UK have developed a classification for confined spaces with 1 being low risk and 4 being the greatest. I believe the document is available on the web. Regards Yul
Sutty31  
#8 Posted : 14 January 2010 17:53:05(UTC)
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Sutty31

Some water authorites and a certain governing body got together and decided that having a confined space training ticket wasnt good enough. Then said governing body decided to create NC1,2,3 and 4 and of course offer the specific training (at over inflated price), while at the same time the relevant water authorities tell their contractors that they must now have the new confined space tickets... Bit of a money making scam IMHO but if it makes people safer , then i agree to it..
CFT  
#9 Posted : 14 January 2010 18:53:01(UTC)
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CFT

Yes as above, usually shows up during procedures for say sewer (storm, foul, combined) within the water industry and specific to 'man-entry'. Frequently found during CCTV surveys and HPJ. I have all the categories but they are on my works computer right now. It is mostly down to the level of control required depending on what level of potential danger it is classed as. CFT
peter gotch  
#10 Posted : 15 January 2010 13:37:29(UTC)
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peter gotch

Michael. the Water UK guidance is at http://www.water.org.uk/...occasional-guidance-note This guidance was intended to enable a consistent approach across the sector to how confined spaces risks are managed and what training is needed for different types of work. Prior to this training programmes varied dramatically, including as regards how long each trainer thought a certificate should remain valid. Definite move in the right direction in my opinion. (Impacts on quite a lot of our staff) Regards, Peter
Wizard  
#11 Posted : 16 January 2010 10:49:48(UTC)
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Wizard

Michael, You will probably find that every industry you look at has a specific method of presenting the same thing. In essence each and every CS should be subject to a risk assessment. The out come of the assessment should as we all know should identify the hazards likely to be encountered and the control features which need to be in place to protect those entering this space. Any other short cut to this procedure is to my mind a disguise for improvement. Classifications are fine but at the end of the day that criteria and inforamtion i.e. has the vessel contained hydrocarbons, gases, liquids, etc has to be avaialable for the RA as many varied other questions need to be asked, those working in the industry maybe familiar with the answers, but an oversight ( yep I have done this before ) of no RA IMHO leads to disasters. Wizard
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