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One of our managers working on a nuclear site has been audited today. The auditor approached one of our operatives, an apprentice trained plater who was burning with oxy/propane the auditor questioned the guy if he had had the relivent training in the use of this type of equipment and that it was a legal requirement. Would an experienced apprentice trained plater require additional training in oxy/propane burning?
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FWIW
Having done a "proper" apprenticeship 4 years, employed C&G at college and EITB recognised as a Fitter/Welder (very similar) myself not that long ago mind (early 80’s) but, before all the new NVQ stuff came in and currently employing a time served plater, I would say NO.
All of this would have been covered then as long as he has undergone some update training to keep up with changes in legislation.
I have also done a trade level NVQ and it should have been covered in that too.
I suspect that as long as the guy is not a self taught unskilled body then all should be OK.
The auditor would not know if he was time served or not from looking would he?
Paul
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While nuclear sites are well away from my field, surely if you're operative is an apprentice he's receiving some sort of schooling / teaching / training? And by your use of the word 'additional' it would seem like he's had some sort of training in this already?
I think the auditor is asking the question for the sake of asking the question. By the sounds of it Paul's covered the details - if your guy is being properly trained then what other specific course must he go on?
Did your auditor explain the reason behind his question, or point you in the direction of the course to which he was referring?
Alex
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goldfish wrote:hi
One of our managers working on a nuclear site has been audited today. The auditor approached one of our operatives, an apprentice trained plater who was burning with oxy/propane the auditor questioned the guy if he had had the relivent training in the use of this type of equipment and that it was a legal requirement. Would an experienced apprentice trained plater require additional training in oxy/propane burning? From the outside looking in - is the operative an apprentice or is he trained? If an apprentice surely he should be supervised while working, this could answer the question? The type of work requires training, for a number of reasons and if he has no training in oxy/propane then he should not be doing that work. I wonder if the auditor spotted something in the manner of working that led to the question being asked>
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The Auditor was confirming, verifying conformity (legal Requirements). This is not an unusual question for an auditor to ask, this is not a question to catch an employee out, a personal attack or neither meant to be patronising. The Auditor was just verifying conformity (legal Requirements). The Audit being carried out may be against Standards OHSAS: 18001, Legislation or employers own Standards. This Audit would have been requested by your Managing Director or senior Manager.
An Audit is not carried out to get people in to trouble; an audit is about conformity against Standards and continual improvement process. Maybe the auditor should have introduced him/her self to you and explained the purpose of the Audit.
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Hi - again the question - is he an apprentice or not?
This was an audit - you knew he was coming - so you obviously did not leave any wrong doings for him to see did you??? You did not leave an unsupervised young person??
Paul - I like your "not long ago - early 80s" - when I think back to thon days - I married and bought a flat.
That was almost 30 years ago - and my god if I could turn the clock back to that "not long ago" I would not change a thing.
But knowing then what I know now, I would not have the scars on my arms from burns, the knee ops, the constant pain in my lungs, the fear of moving the wrong way in case the back locks again, the fear of smelling certain paints, the lack of feeling in my hands due to needle gunning but the tingling through the night that wakens me (had the CT ops)
So the crux of the matter is - is this a young guy - if so please ptotect him better than you would have ptotected me and Paul over 30 years ago
David
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I’m sorry I forgot to mentioned
If the apprentice has had the appropriate training in oxy/propane burning, and been signed off has being trained (competent) and documented, then he is trained then experience comes into play. Any additional training required may be for example he hasn’t been trained on a profile cutting machine. But I would say any additional training that a company provides is a great benefit to him. If he has not been signed off has being trained, then he has got to be supervised.
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