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Cooper80023  
#1 Posted : 21 January 2010 16:05:16(UTC)
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Cooper80023

Can anyone tell me if it is in the regs (and if so where) that it is a requirement to carry out a Periodic Electrical Inspection (for a business), i was under the impression it was every 5 years, but when pushed i can't find it to demonstrate. Also (and this was them main question) what is the requirement, is it for the entire building i.e. every electrical wire, regardless, or JUST to the isolator. Hope you can help. Thanks
Julian  
#2 Posted : 21 January 2010 16:47:15(UTC)
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Julian

You have to carry out a 5 year certificated inspection of Fixed Electrical Installations i.e the wiring, distribution (fuse) boards, lighting etc. There are many other types of electrical testing that has to be carried out more frequently, emergency lighting for example and not forgetting portable appliances. Look up The 17th Edition of the Wiring Regulations BS 7671:2008 for guidance.
smitch  
#3 Posted : 21 January 2010 17:23:32(UTC)
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smitch

Cooper80023 Whilst I am not condemning the previous posters reply to your question, I would say that IMHO the frequency for periodic inspections of electrical installations should be based upon…………………………wait for it……………yes good old risk assessment. The reason for this being this that whilst one inspection every five years may well be adequate for an office type environment; it is unlikely to be sufficient in a more harsh environment, such as a hot metal working factory for example. As a very general rule of thumb I would think that an inspection every three years is about right for most industrial factories I have been into. I have in the past had dealings with electro zinc plating plants in relation to electrical inspection frequencies; and my risk assessment has identified that the electrical installation in these areas is best inspected ideally annually or at the very outside bi-annually. If you who have ever been in an electro plating plant then you will be aware of how harsh the environment can be. Cheers
Cooper80023  
#4 Posted : 21 January 2010 17:33:04(UTC)
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Cooper80023

Guys thanks for your replies, very helpful. However just so that i am sure, (as i have been asked specifically) do the regs state that it is up to judgement i.e. risk assessment or does it give a definitive max period of 5 years??or indeed any other difinitive period. Got to bear in mind, the purse string holders don't want to be shelling out money if it does not specifically say a period ie. 5 years Thanks
pete48  
#5 Posted : 21 January 2010 18:16:01(UTC)
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pete48

Coop. I haven't a copy to hand but I am pretty certain that 5 years is the maximum period recommended in the guidance for competent persons making the judgement. (IEE 17th etc) The specific recommended frequency and programme for your systems then depends on the technical assessment by the competent giving due regard to design, location, complexity etc. It is indeed quite common to find many installations on a five year cycle. Equally your insurers may have determined that they want a 3 year inspection cycle, something I have found frequently. Hope that helps.
CFT  
#6 Posted : 21 January 2010 18:42:29(UTC)
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CFT

Cooper Pete is indeed correct. 5 years is the interval as stated in the 17th ed, but not per se. The 'law' or legislation is not quite so specific and would offer this: All equipment must be in a safe condition and fit for use. See Regulation 4 (2) of the Electricity At Work Regulations 1989. Taking Pete's response on a bit further, and he is indeed correct as was the risk assessment response earlier. Frequencies will vary and the following from said 17th ed may help: - Commercial Installations - 5 years. - Industrial Installations - 3 years. - Buildings open to the public - 1 year. - External Installations - 3 years. - Caravan Parks - 1 year. - Fire Alarms - 1 year. - Short Term Installations - 3 months. - Site Installations - 3 months. Of course when you say about regs etc there is of course HSWA, EaW regs, Management regs, etc but when all is said and done as far as your question goes, see where you fit into the above list and make a judgement based on that. BS 7671 will give further information.
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 21 January 2010 19:37:59(UTC)
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firesafety101

You have possibly seen this, it may link in quite well if you find resistance to your recommendation? http://forum.iosh.co.uk/...aspx?g=posts&t=93462
paul.skyrme  
#8 Posted : 21 January 2010 19:55:22(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

BS7671:2008 is not statutory legislation. It is welcomed & endorsed by HSE however. There is NO STATUTORY requirement to undertake a periodic inspection report (PIR) of an electrical installation to BS7671. The stat bits are EAWR & PUWER etc. BS7671 is merely guidance. The times specified are open to free modification by: 1. The designer of the installation, and the inspector/tester of the original install during initial verification. The initial period before the first recommended PIR will be on your electrical installation certificates (EIC) for the installation. I did one recently for an industrial install where I put down 1 year to the 1st inspection due to the nature of the premises use/abuse etc. 2 The person undertaking any subsequent periodic inspection. The recommended period to the next PIR will be on any subsequent PIR forms. The guidance goes on to say that if the installation is supervised and controlled by competent persons then the need for inspection & testing can be waived. There is actually a definition of a competent person in BS7671. The scope of a PIR is a very mute point, they range from the “drive by” to the correct. They should encompass the whole of the FIXED electrical installation. Machinery is NOT covered by BS7671 if it is built to other product standards or harmonised, new approach directives etc. I could go on and on as this is my area, I’m qualified to design & I&T elect installations amongst other things. BS7671 is guidance and thus best practice. The level of PIR you will get done may not even be worth the paper it is written on mind! IF you comply with BS7671 & associated guidance then you will have gone AFARP. If you have competent persons in charge & control of the installation you don’t need PIR’s. BTW to do a PIR you really must have PI insurance and be competent to do so, and a basic electrician would not be classed as competent in that situation, however, if they were employed full time and in control of the fixed install they could be competent in that aspect to negate the requirement for PIR’s in 7671. IF you nave no EIC’s or previous PIR’s then look for a hefty bill for your first PIR. It the quote makes no difference between the 1st PIR and subsequent ones in this situation, find another supplier because they are incompetent. Paul.
CFT  
#9 Posted : 21 January 2010 20:16:12(UTC)
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CFT

Hi Paul Just to be clear I did only state 'BS 7671 will give further information,' as is indeed the case. Regards CFT
paul.skyrme  
#10 Posted : 22 January 2010 06:32:07(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

CFT, Yes re-reading my post it does appear to be aimed at your response, sorry, it was not. I wrote it as a general response to the thread based on the info you had already provided. Paul
CFT  
#11 Posted : 22 January 2010 08:46:48(UTC)
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CFT

No worries Paul. Have a good day:-) CFT
Cooper80023  
#12 Posted : 24 January 2010 21:08:33(UTC)
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Cooper80023

guys, thanks very much, this is exactly what i was looking for , some very good responses. God love these forums. Coops
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