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My company employs a Registered General Nurse who is willing to become a first aid trainer thus saving loads of money going to providers such as St John Ambulance. She would also pick up the recommended yearly refresher training We would not wish to become a register training provider and would only train our staff. We have approx 2000 people spread across 2 sites (within 10 miles of each other)
Q1 - is this allowed and if so who could provide the training etc?
Q2 - is this allowed without being a register training provider?
Thanks for any help in advance.
Joe
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Hi Joe,
I may be wrong but this is how I understand the first aid requirements.
Any person may deliver "approved" first aid at work training provided they hold the first aid at work certificate and have completed a train the trainer course for the delivery of such training.
Many organisations offer this training and subsequently allow the use of their approved course materials and approved certification for a small registration fee.
Try this link for information about organisations offering this facility. http://www.firstaidcafe....Trainers/TPTTTListed.asp
Hope this is helpful
paul
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Yes a nurse could do your training, in fact anyone can.
The nurse would have to have attend and completed a HSE approved course within the last twelve months and undertaken a accredited training program after which you would have to apply for a licence (via HSE) if you wish to undertake HSE approved first-aid training.
If you contact your local HSE Regional office they will explain all the requirements.
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Hi,
I strongly reccomend you read the guidance on the link above. As I understand it, First Aid at Work Courses are only valid if provided by an approved trainer. To become approved you have to follow the process laid out in the guidance.
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'amorris' has got it right
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Sorry, have we got this right? Are we saying that a RGN (not sure what her/his background is) can't carry out First Aid duties without attending a First Aid Course. Are we in danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water here. I am sure that a competent RGN would fulfil the criteria of providing basic First Aid Training, she/he may have to do a recognised training course, to gain training skills, but surely they would not have to go on a First Aid Course?
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Yes we are. GPs, nurses, surgeons, paramedics, etc. all need to have a current FAAW ticket in order to deliver the FAAW course. It's not only surprising how little they know about "workplace" first aid (all the paperwork and liability stuff, etc.) but the combination of FAAW and 'train the trainer' courses ensures they understand the *current* syllabus inside out and they are known to be able to get the message across properly, and in the right timescale. Some GPs I know were last taught CPR in the 1950s; it's changed a bit since then! Nurses also don't actually do a lot of "first aid" in their normal duties - suturing a finger is not first aid. If someone codes, they go get a trolley with a machine on it. The chances of someone in hospital randomly being trapped in an abrasive wheel are slim, and that's the place they learned all their practical skills.
Chazmack wrote:Sorry, have we got this right? Are we saying that a RGN (not sure what her/his background is) can't carry out First Aid duties without attending a First Aid Course. Are we in danger of throwing the baby out with the bath water here. I am sure that a competent RGN would fulfil the criteria of providing basic First Aid Training, she/he may have to do a recognised training course, to gain training skills, but surely they would not have to go on a First Aid Course?
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Please check HSE guidance - they DO NOT approve trainers only ORGANISATIONS it is the duty of the approved organisation to ensure trainers meet minimum standards.
You need HSE approval for FAW or EFAW courses but approval for EFAW courses is also available through a number of organisations such as C&G.
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Yes a nurse could do your training, in fact anyone can.
The nurse would have to have attend and completed a HSE approved course within the last twelve months and undertaken a accredited training program after which you would have to apply for a licence (via HSE) if you wish to undertake HSE approved first-aid training.
If you contact your local HSE Regional office they will explain all the requirements.
I’ve stated the above recently on the forum and checked with FAAMS and they have stated the above is correct.
HSE does not run training courses but does approve training organisations that meet the required standard for FAAW training, this is in the form of a licence which all certificates issued under it must have its registered number on.
Train the trainer course can be run via lots of different bodies however, the HSE will issue the licence for an approved organisation/training provider.
Its worth noting that since the ACoP was amended last year Emergency First-Aid (1day course) now must also be conducted by a licensed organisation and the old 4 day FAAW course is now a 3day course.
New training providers that wish to start running FAAW courses need to apply to FAAMS for approval - FAAMS = First Aid Approval and Monitoring Section (FAAMS) of HSE's Corporate Medical Unit.
I’m quite up to speed on this due to the fact that I’ve been undertaking this training for the last 19years. If you require any more help in obtaining the licence, PM me directly.
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