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Safety Witch  
#1 Posted : 27 January 2010 09:32:06(UTC)
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Safety Witch

What are the risks of nitrogen gas?
Alex Petrie  
#2 Posted : 27 January 2010 09:45:44(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

You'll need to give out more information than that to get a decent response I'm afraid!
Heather Collins  
#3 Posted : 27 January 2010 09:47:44(UTC)
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Heather Collins

Assuming you are NOT talking about liquid nitrogen and that you don't need the generic risks involved with compressed gas cylinders to be repeated here, just about the only thing you need to be concerned about is the asphyxiant effect of nitrogen which may displace the oxygen in an enclosed or poorly ventilated space. Perhaps you could give a bit more detail about exactly how and where it is being used?
Safety Witch  
#4 Posted : 27 January 2010 09:59:52(UTC)
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Safety Witch

OK. A bottle of nitrogen in a large work room used for very low pressure testing. (2 bar) No risk of asphyxiation due to size of bottle versus size of room. Obvious risks about the bottle falling over but its chained up nice and secure. gauges and hoses in good nick. I've been told we need a RA and I'm struggling as to what to include. It all seems fairly inert to me.
teh_boy  
#5 Posted : 27 January 2010 10:20:06(UTC)
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teh_boy

http://www.boconline.co....lth/gas_safety/index.asp When looking at cylinder safety I got a lot of useful information from the above site - BOC had a arange of info but it took some finding. I'm running late and so can't help more than that at the moment.
Safety Witch  
#6 Posted : 27 January 2010 10:26:22(UTC)
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Safety Witch

I've just had a look at the BOC site and it contains good info so thanks for that link. I've had a bit of a heart stopping moment when I was looking at the guidance on hoses. It lists the colours and what they are used for. It doesn't mention green but the other day I saw a green hose in use and now I'm really scared it was a water hose!!!! eeek. Do gas hoses ever come in green????
Jane Blunt  
#7 Posted : 27 January 2010 10:27:49(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

safety witch wrote:
A bottle of nitrogen in a large work room used for very low pressure testing. (2 bar) No risk of asphyxiation due to size of bottle versus size of room. Obvious risks about the bottle falling over but its chained up nice and secure. gauges and hoses in good nick. I've been told we need a RA and I'm struggling as to what to include. It all seems fairly inert to me.
In that case, most of your risk assessment can simply record the hazards that these control measures are managing, record the control measures themselves, and record that, although an asphyxiant, there is no risk of asphyxiation. You also need to look at how the gas bottle gets to its current position, who is authorised to fit the gas regulator, and the periodic checks/replacement regime that is needed for the regulator. However, the use of the gas (pressure testing) is another matter altogether. What are the things you are pressure testing? What is the stored energy? How is it being done?
Jane Blunt  
#8 Posted : 27 January 2010 10:30:12(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

safety witch wrote:
It doesn't mention green but the other day I saw a green hose in use and now I'm really scared it was a water hose!!!! eeek. Do gas hoses ever come in green????
Green is used in the USA for oxygen. I would be sceptical about a green hose in the UK. It probably isn't a gas hose - what is written on it?
Safety Witch  
#9 Posted : 27 January 2010 10:35:34(UTC)
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Safety Witch

The testing side is covered in the PED examination so I'm OK with that. I didn't see anything on the hose but to be honest I didn't look close. Its just when I saw it on the BOC site that it sprung to mind. It was contractors (I know, I know!!). I'm going to chase them up, they are off site now.
Tracey Kelly  
#10 Posted : 27 January 2010 11:18:19(UTC)
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Tracey Kelly

You need to refer to the British Compressed Gases Association Guidance notes and codes of practice. GN 11 is a useful one. See http://www.bcga.co.uk/pr...w/products.php?g1=a12528 Unless the room is very large, and well ventilated, please don't just assume that there is no risk of asphyxiation. When pressurised gas is released it can take up a greater volume than you would expect. Your supplier (BOC, Air Products or whoever) should be able to advise you (and maybe save you from having to do the calculations yourself).
Jane Blunt  
#11 Posted : 27 January 2010 11:52:01(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Asphyxiation from a single cylinder is unlikely in a large room, but if you are concerned why not have a go at a gas calculator: http://www.phy.cam.ac.uk/hands/hazards/oxygen.xls and find out. You only need a tape measure to measure the bottle dimensions, and the record of the fill pressure which should be on the label. All the yellow cells can be altered by you. You should not attempt to alter any other cell. Before you use the results, please read the instructions, which list the simplifying assumptions: http://www.phy.cam.ac.uk/hands/hazards/notes.doc
redken  
#12 Posted : 27 January 2010 11:55:57(UTC)
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redken

Asphyxiation There have been fatal accidents involving Nitrogen. I often heard it quoted that ICI would say nitrogen was their most dangerous gas. Then if it is liquid nitorgen there was case at Edinburgh University a few years back. I think the nitrogen dewar was in a very small cupboard.
martinw  
#13 Posted : 27 January 2010 15:23:04(UTC)
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martinw

From HSE(East) press release 08/12/09 'CNH (UK) Ltd fined £70,000 under HASAWA 1974 s2. HSE also prosecuted the firm in a separate case after it admitted another 5 charges relating to workplace transport. It was fined £25,000. CNH (UK) Ltd were ordered to pay combined costs of £58,898. An engineer was nearly suffocated by a nitrogen gas leak in a laboratory. The man only survived because he heard gas escaping and felt cold vapour on his arms. Seeing a mist in the laboratory, he staggered out, feeling light-headed and weak. He was off work for five weeks afterwards with headaches and insomnia' Just for info.
Jane Blunt  
#14 Posted : 27 January 2010 15:41:47(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

The incident at CNH was liquid nitrogen, which expands by a factor of about 700 when it boils, and it is not unusual to have containers of 100 to 1000 litres of the stuff in a room. For every 1.4 litres of liquid nitrogen you have, you will get one cubic metre of nitrogen gas. It's very cold, and will cause a mist because it freezes out the moisture in the air.
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