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Our American parent company is kindly offering us some free online training packages.
On paper, they look as though they’re going to be really useful – some general H&S (e.g. office ergonomics, preventing back injury, driver safety) and others more specific (e.g. pressure vessel safety, lab safety - radiation).
While we will assess the suitability of individual courses on specific subjects, that will be a (very) long job, and I’m aware that we have little knowledge of the general differences between the UK and American systems beyond their requirements for recording incidents.
Is there anyone out there with knowledge and/or experience of both systems who could list a few general points in that area - things to look out for?
An (obviously fictitious) example might be “be careful of any H&S responsibilities courses, as OSHA put the onus on the employee for everything”.
As I type, I’m starting to think I’m asking a daft question, but any comments gratefully received.
Steve
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Hi Steve
OSHA and individual state requirements tend to be much more prescriptive where they exist. But effectively no regulation where they don't exist. For example, in some states there are no regulatory standards for the prevention of dust explosions. Google "Imperial Sugar" explosion - some years after the Chemical Safety Board recommended a national standard for dust explosions.
They are also into back supports as an alternative to avoiding dangerous manual handling operations. I've never come across a UK ergonomist who would recommend this "PPE".
....and overall the approach in the US appears inferior to that in Europe, with higher fatal accident rates than all but one EU states (prior to expansion to the east) and HSE research indicating higher rates of less sever injuries also.
You'll be aware that they are heavily into behavioural safety but don't seem to learn that BS programmes may lead to situations where the low probability, high consequence events are not adequately managed. Ditto occupational health risks. Check out the Telos report BEFORE the Texas City disaster, or three releases from the same Du Pont facility in the last couple of weeks. Lots of evidence that BS programmes can lead to underreporting and inadequate incident investigation. Also overreliance on PPE. Google "Nancy Lessing". There's a BS video "Remember Charlie" where the injured party takes all the blame for his injury despite the video recognising that a valve had been recognised as being dangerous several years earlier but with its replacement being repeatedly deferred. Also the video doesn't consider the implications as regards risk of heat stress if Charlie had worn protective clothing in, I think it was 130 degrees fahrenheit.
Regards, Peter
Regards, Peter
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I agree with Peter's comments and only want to add that as a result of these different emphases, there might not be enough on risk assessment.
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There are significant differences between H&S in the UK and the US. These differences are not just legal, but cultural. Generally, the subject is more advanced in the UK and the stats clearly demonstrate that. I've recently written an article on the US approach that will appear in the March issue of SHP that will overview some of these differences.
For these reasons and numerous others I would stick with you UK materials.
James Pomeroy
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Thanks for the input everyone. I'll bear it all in mind as we progress, but it looks like there's not much we can do but review everything, if they are going to insist on us having it delivered in a "tick-box" fashion.
Sean - I'll look out for the article, it might help me say what I need to in a tactful manner. It's a pity it's not out already!
Kate - I'd got that impression already, from some discussions with other US-based people, but I know (think? hope? pray?!) our new owners are fairly hot on RAs.
Pete - Haven't seen "Remember Charlie" but from your description it almost sounds like a BS spoof. I've had the BS discussion already - at the moment they're not keen on implementing it, so it's not a bridge I need to cross (battle I need to have?) just as yet. Your points reinforce the need to review any materials we use.
Thanks again.
Steve
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Just an additional angle that you need to bear in mind. Many US companies have corporate legal departments who, for claims reasons, seem to have Stalinesque control over the business. Watch your back - check out the position if you haven't already in case some spotty Ivy League law graduate kyboshes your efforts the moment you are perceived to have stepped out of line. I've seen it too often for comfort in US companies in the UK.
Jim
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Steve,
Pleased to hear you think they have embraced risk assessment - but look out for whether this includes the hierarchy of controls.
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