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Mobile phone battery depletion in areas with poor or no signal coverage
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Last week I experienced an unexpected depletion of my mobile phone battery near the end of a day’s walk in a very remote mountain valley (Cwm Eigiau) in North Wales. My mobile had a fully charged battery and I knew of no reason to switch it off even though the valley probably had poor or no mobile phone signal coverage. Near the end of my walk I must have regained mobile coverage because my mobile bleeped to tell me that someone had left a message for me. However, when I tried to phone the messaging service, my mobile display flashed “battery empty” and went dead. Later on I was able to use the mobile while it was being re-charged. Subsequently the mobile has operated as normal so it seemed that the battery depletion wasn’t due to a fault or sheer old age.
When I mentioned the depletion to others later their consensus about the cause was that my mobile had simply used up considerable amounts of battery power in the valley constantly trying to find and communicate with possible mobile phone masts.
Has anyone else had a similar experience and a similar explanation? Also, my mobile was in an outer pocket on top of my rucksack in very cold conditions. Thus, it is possible that perhaps its battery capacity that day was reduced by being at low temperature for a prolonged period.
My recent experience reinforces existing advice to those who venture into wild and remote places about not depending on mobiles because reception in such areas can be patchy or non-existent. In addition it also appears to show that the absence or very low strength of signals can cause mobiles to use up excessive amounts of battery power and even render them inoperative. Therefore, it seems prudent for people to be wary about leaving their mobiles switched on if they are in such areas for significant lengths of time and away from recharging facilities.
Graham Bullough
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Graham,
Not so short answer, mobile phones have a minimum and maximum transmit power, when there is a good signal within a cell they will transmit on low power where there is a poor signal they will transmit on it's highest setting working on the basis that a low signal strength will require more power to get it's signal to the base station.
Where there is a very weak signal the phone will send out a 'polling' signal to confirm the nearest cell site more often that in a strong signal area (it's also why phones with built in A-GPS use more power as they are polling for a 'fix' this compensates for the lack of GPS channels in the reciever - typically 4 as opposed to up to 24 in a dedicated GPS unit or sat nav).
Where there is no signal depending on the networks settings and firmware in the phone it may poll as much as once every 30 seconds. Thus dramatically reducing battery life.
Before getting into safety full time I used to work for a company that made components for microwave communications equipment (including mobile phone cell sites).
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I recently learned that leaving the Blue Tooth switched on uses more battery power, so if you had blue tooth on in the car and left it on while walking that could have added to the usage?
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Chris,
bluetooth devices will also 'poll' for another bluetooth device - when a device is paired and then connected the 'polling' is infrequent as it assumes that the device is there. When it cannot find another device that it was previously connected to it increases the 'poll' rate (assuming that it wasn't disconnected via the phone).
With a bluetooth headset the polling is normally done by the phone, with the car bluetooth, you'll need to check the manual as it may also poll.
Headset and phones are normally Class 2 devices with a range of 10metres. so once past that distance it will also increase power usage.
If you are going to turn a headset off or leave the car and battery life is an issue turn the bluetooth off on your phone.
Forgot to reply to Graham's point on temperature, most mobiles now use Lithium Ion batteries (or variation of) and they are not affected anywhere near as badly as NiCad or NiMH batteries but they can be affected by really low temps.
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I haven't seen anything as dramatic as Graham, but I have experienced shorter-than-expected battery life on my mobile while walking in the Lake District.
Brett's explanation tallies with what I thought was the situation, so it seems reasonable that this would happen.
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Hal
Mob phones are a pain and how did we survive thousands of years without them. That said they are useful for when emergency help is reqd.
Experienced walkers will tell you
1) keep the phone switched OFF to conserve batt power.
2) wear a shirt with a patch pocket and stuff the phone there, the body heat will maintain the batt at optimal operating temp.
3) presuming you can walk and need assitance gain as much height as you can before trying to use the phone (Doesn't always work as I found out recently when trying send a text to the misses when rough camping).
4) ALWAYS let someone know your walk route and exit plans in case of an emergency.
Hope this of help for future walkss.
Badger
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One of the more unusual but nevertheless interesting threads that does provide some practical advice to a real situation. I have been doing some research on lone worker systems and the polling issue also arose, and the subsequent affect on battery life, as Brett has mentioned. I was also introduced to the 'roaming sim', which as far as I can work out, will roam all of the major networks to try find a signal. Something that might prove helpful in the sort of thing being discussed here, but seems to me that you should keep the phone off until needed and keep it close to the body to keep it warm.
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I've experienced the same problem when in poor signal areas- phone battery flattening in less than a day whereas otherwise lasting 3 days or more on standby.
I also found it varies depending on the phone- my newer phone (very basic model) is much less affected than my older flip-lid one was.
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Phil, I find your comments on roaming sim cards interesting. I have always got very bad signal strength on my mobile and when I get no signal what so ever, my phone flashes up with emergency calls only. I always thought this was strange as I have no signal. I wonder if emergency calls are not limited to the network you subscribe to but can go through any network. If this is so, it may have some impact on your lone working systems.
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also note that a wind up [ not battery type] mobile phone charger is worth its weight in gold in an emergency
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JG wrote:...when I get no signal what so ever, my phone flashes up with emergency calls only. I always thought this was strange as I have no signal. I wonder if emergency calls are not limited to the network you subscribe to but can go through any network...
Yes, that's right - as long as you can connect to a network, you can still make emergency calls.
Don't forget there will still be some remote areas where there's no coverage at all, and then of course even emergency calls won't work.
Another thing I've heard is that if you dial 999 from a mobile, you connect to a national emergency call centre who then have to connect you to the appropriate local control centre for where you are. But if you dial 112, the connection is to a centre local to where you are.
Anyone know if that's an urban myth or not?
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I don't confess to being all that well informed on it, my understanding is that all sims will 'roam' for 999 and 112 and I suppose that in a genuine emergency that would be sufficient. The roaming sim that we are being offered for a lone worker system, will roam all available networks so that if the 'panic button' is pressed it gives the best chance of the call being conected through to the 24/7 Incident Monitoring Centre. Not sure whether there is any difference to the routing of a 999 or 112 call though.
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