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Dave C  
#1 Posted : 06 March 2010 16:28:37(UTC)
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Dave C

Has anyone had any dealings in this area and specifically in regard to alerting deaf persons in respect of fire evacuation. If you have an employee who is deaf which system have you implemented to give adequate warning? In our case, it is not practical to install flashing lights as there are so many out-buildings where this person might work, at present buddying-up is used as we don't allow lone working anyway but this would tend to transfer responsibility onto another employee. Has anyone has experience of a deaf-alerter/pager type system and how effective have you found it ? and what about the practicality of this as we are looking at a single person use? Any other suggestions and advice, as ever, gratefully received.
martinw  
#2 Posted : 06 March 2010 17:44:42(UTC)
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martinw

Dave C only ever come across those systems used in hotels. They pick up the sound of alarms and then vibrate, telling the person that their is an activation. This is just one: http://www.easylinkuk.co.uk/page19.html and I have no connection with them. Plenty more if you search, but hopefully someone with direct experience of managing this will be able to help.
firestar967  
#3 Posted : 06 March 2010 19:24:27(UTC)
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Bit confused on this one. Out buildings, not linked, do they have their own separate fire alarm systems? If a fire starts in one building how is this alarm sounded over the site? Also what is the likelihood of fire spread? I work on a large site with many different buildings and different risks within each building. Each is treated independently, as is the fire precautions. As for being hearing impaired, it seems that you have covered this by not allowing lone working, especially for the deaf person. A vibrating bleeper linked to the fire alarm system. Problems with this, the person forgets to carry it, the batteries die, the system fails to operate or after many false alarms the person ignores them! I find it worrying that not one of your employees would help the deaf person should a fire occur.
chrismatthews  
#4 Posted : 07 March 2010 08:53:16(UTC)
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chrismatthews

Im assuming [which is always a recipe for disaster] that your fire and/or general risk assessment will have identified this as an issue and the appropriate control to be taken, I think my question would be why it is not practical to install visual warning in the out buildings this person works in? We have a number of areas where where both audible and visual alarms are required, as this was determined to be a common solution to this issue. You may want to consdier a buddy system for the individual when working remotely in an out building, however, the question appears to pose one person, have you considered a second employee with hearing difficulties or visitors etc, this may re-enforce the need for collective control opposed to individual, and additional leverage to justify cost to the company.
Dave C  
#5 Posted : 07 March 2010 10:10:20(UTC)
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Dave C

Thank you for your replies. Firestar967 I didn't say that an employee wouldn't help in case of fire. They are a small very caring, close-knit team and we have had regular fire drills and have firm procedures in place which are identified in assessment. I just want to make sure I am doing everything we can as employers hence my request for shared experiences and knowledge and looking at other systems within the discussion forum. Thanks for pointing out the potential problems with the pager system, I have never seen them used before and can now see their shortcomings. I have a clear view of how to proceed with this now. Thanks again. Dave C
firestar967  
#6 Posted : 07 March 2010 10:37:57(UTC)
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Didn’t intend any offence in my comment, just know from personal experience, that my eldest daughter, where she works that the staff would make sure see was aware of a fire alarm. Yes, she is hearing impaired.
JHA1976  
#7 Posted : 07 March 2010 11:00:01(UTC)
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JHA1976

This link may be of use to you. Its from the direct.gov.uk website and has details for the writing of personal evacuation plans http://www.communities.g...iresafetyassessmentmeans
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 07 March 2010 13:17:03(UTC)
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firesafety101

JHA1976 wrote:
This link may be of use to you. Its from the direct.gov.uk website and has details for the writing of personal evacuation plans http://www.communities.g...iresafetyassessmentmeans
Thanks to someone else recommending this guide I purchased one and find it extremely useful, it does mention means of escape and PEEPs for all types of disabled persons. Well worth a fiver (£5).
Dave C  
#9 Posted : 07 March 2010 13:45:57(UTC)
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Dave C

Thanks JHA - excellent publication and a free download to boot!
blodwyn  
#10 Posted : 09 March 2010 10:27:44(UTC)
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blodwyn

We have a deaf forklift truck driver at our Distribution hub. He operates in a small area and we have in place a number of flashing beacons linked to the fire alarm system - not only in his work area but also in the toilet and canteen areas. He is buddied up with two fellow workers so in the event of an incident or accident, whereby he has not seen the beacon they will take him to a place of safety. They work in his area so are not put at risk by being his 'buddy'. He is completely deaf and lip reads (a terrific skill we have found when there are managers on site!!!). HSE have actually praised us on our risk assessment, safe working procedures and physical measures in place. The guy himself has worked for us for many years and feels we have looked after him well and ensured at all times his safety. I am sure I will get a few telling me deaf people shouldn't drive FLTs but I dont have the room to describe in full what we do - save to say our occ health team have no issues as our controls are all in place and the HSE are happy.
firestar967  
#11 Posted : 09 March 2010 13:21:53(UTC)
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Well done Blodwyn, its good to see some positive health and safety.
Mark1969  
#12 Posted : 10 March 2010 11:51:54(UTC)
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Mark1969

There are several pager systems that can be linked into fire alarm systems and other systems. I have used one in the past for a person working on his own wearing ear defenders, this meant that he may not hear an evacuation alarm or tannoy announcements. Not sure if I can name the company, but pm me if you need more information.
Stuart  
#13 Posted : 11 March 2010 08:57:57(UTC)
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Stuart

We have a profoundly deaf employee who is a surveyor. We provided him with a vibrating pager linked to the alarm system in addition to strobes. From a cost point of view, you can often get match funding for this type of adaptation through Access to Work (assuming UK based). www.Direct.gov.uk/Disability
Sheryl737  
#14 Posted : 11 March 2010 15:19:03(UTC)
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Sheryl737

Dave have you ascertained that the person cannot hear the alarm? Many people with a hearing disability can actually feel the alarm. Sounds strange but if you run a practice and they need to be alerted then you can go on to the next stage. a lot depends on the degree of deafness and the sensory input they receive. They may be offended if you go to all the trouble to get it right without their input. When runnign the pracitce you may want to ask them to eb in differnt places eg toilet and/work site/rest room etc beacuse there may be differences in tone and volume. Sheryl
Jeni D  
#15 Posted : 12 March 2010 15:28:58(UTC)
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Jeni D

Possibly not a practical solution in every case but I worked with a deaf member of staff who used a 'hearing' dog. Specially trained, it alerted her to the fire alarm as well as attracting her attention if someone was calling her from a distance (potentialy useful for all sorts of hazards). In addition it got her up in the morning when the alarm went off, let her know if someone was at the door etc etc.
L McCartney  
#16 Posted : 12 March 2010 16:01:26(UTC)
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L McCartney

The RNID have loads of things and advice either on their website or by telephone or text phone Lilian
Firesafetybod  
#17 Posted : 12 March 2010 22:53:04(UTC)
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Firesafetybod

You may find this link of interest: http://www.deaf-alerter.com/deaf-alerter.php
Dave C  
#18 Posted : 13 March 2010 16:24:37(UTC)
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Dave C

Thanks everyone for advice and comments. I have discussed in detail with this person what they can actually hear/feels and have ensured that fire drills are are carried out at frequent intervals - lots of practice! - we already have a no-lone working policy in place throughout the workplace, and have a buddy-up system well ensconced into our fire procedures in this case. The person in question felt that the buddy system was most effective and had used a pager in previous workplace but didn't find it particularly effective but I think I may well try this. I have also discussed with our fire eqpt provider and keep an open mind on what products are out there. Thanks again.
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