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Looking for some guidance here on codes of practice/guidance documents for issues regarding physically disabled children going away for a few days with the school.
Is there a requirement for a one to one Carer for example?
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It depends very much on the child. A care plan would be drawn up and this would identify the amount of support the child would need in these circumstances. It is likely that they will have a care plan already in place for school and this would be the basis. If they are going to a centre such as PGL they will be able to give detailed advice on how much support is required for various levels of disability. This site has some useful info about the DDA in this type of scenario http://www.equalityhuman...scrimination-in-schools/
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Thanks to you both, good documents but not quite what I need.
Is there anything specific to outward bound centres catering for disabled children?
There is a care plan in place but needs to expand to include the away trip.
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I'm surprised there is no information re disabled and outward bound.
I'll give this another day to see if anyone else can contribute.
Thanks
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Difficult to find exactly what you seem to be looking for, and this is not remotely my area. How about trying the Outward Bound Trust? They might be a better source of such specific info. They say on their website that they cater for trips with disabled children, so they have experience at least.
Martin
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Chris,
"Is there anything specific to outward bound centres catering for disabled children"
Without stating the obvious, why don't you contact the outward bound centre with any concerns you may have and ask them to explain what systems and procedures they have in place.
Regards
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This is a case of "I don't know what I don't know"? If I don't ask no one tells me.
My original question regards a physically disabled girl going on an outward bound trip with her school.
The school will have duties/responsibilities etc. so will the centre which is run as a charity.
I'm very surprised nobody has mentioned the incident at Lyme bay a few years ago and any guidance introduced following that?
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I'm still a bit confused as to exactly what you are wanting. General advise on school trips is available from http://www.hse.gov.uk/aala/index.htm and http://www.scotland.gov....ions/2004/12/20444/48943 . I think someone has already posted the english equivalent. Local Authorities also usually have their own guidelines as do schools. In each school there will also be someone responsible for overseeing trips. None of these guidance give prescriptive information on dealing with physically disabled youngsters as the needs of a child with severe cerebal palsy will be very different to a blind child to a child who can't grip properly with one of their hands. If you want specific advise on a scenario then there are a few of us on here with experience dealing with these things who should be able to help if you post more details
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ChrisBurns wrote:This is a case of "I don't know what I don't know"? If I don't ask no one tells me.
Chris - what you are looking for seems to be to be too specialist to be generally available on the internet. Surely as someone suggested above you couldn't have a "one size fits all" document here anyway - it would need to be specific for the child? The Outward Bound website seems to welcome enquiries about safety. Ring them up and ask them.
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Thanks everyone.
There is already a "one size fits all" attitude toward disabled people, you then have to look closer and define the particular disability and fit it to the guidance. Risk assessment.
I am surprised there is no one on here working as H&S for an LEA?
No worries, thanks again.
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Chris,
Your original question was not about outward bound schools and disabled children it was about disabled children "going away for a few days with the school". No mention of outward bounds.
In this instance I would expect an assessment to be done as to what activities the child can safely participate in. This assessment would be undertaken by the school as they have the primary duty of care towards the child.
The basis for the assessment would be the information in the child's individual care plan, the suitability of the centre to host a child with their actual disabilities and the proposed activities that they could partcipate in.
The assessment could require imput from a number of people including:
The parent(s) or guardians
Outward bound centre staff
The school's SEN staff
The staff in charge of the trip
Occupational therapists
Possibly the child themselves
The school is responsible for ensuring that the findings are put into practice and monitored. The outward bound school would responsible for managing the specific risks to the individual child while they were participating in an activity on site.
If there is any personal interest in this, then perhaps a visit to the child's school to discuss your concerns
would be beneficial.
Regards
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Hello Chris
Some while ago, I was asked if I would assist a private school field trip of two days. It was to help them with risk assessments, and in particular for one physically disabled young lady.
I found nothing that helped me beyond the knowledge and common sense I already possessed. In the end I went with them for an overnight stay (at the HM's request) to also see how they coped with trips such as this. All was absolutely fine, double dotted and double crossed. As it turned out my assessment did indeed include a one on one supervisory control measure for the young lady, this was not actually a complete necessity but never the less worked perfectly.
I understand completely where you are coming from mentioning the Lyme Bay tragedy; however that was an extremely complex case, and is not one that I compared to on this occasion.
We stayed in nice chalets, but a word of warning, do not accept maltesers from the children and chomp them in bed...you wake up with brown spots all over you when you doze off. Hadn’t had as much fun for years.
CFT
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ChrisBurns wrote:This is a case of "I don't know what I don't know"? If I don't ask no one tells me.
My original question regards a physically disabled girl going on an outward bound trip with her school.
The school will have duties/responsibilities etc. so will the centre which is run as a charity.
I'm very surprised nobody has mentioned the incident at Lyme bay a few years ago and any guidance introduced following that? If you knew about Lyme Bay why didn't you look it up. No-one is saying one size fits all posters are saying that the assessment will be specific to the childs needs. We do not have the full facts. i.e. level of mobility, what activities she can take part in, if she is able to toilet herself. The level of support for her welfare needs will need to come from her carers. The outward bound company will be able to supply you with R/A's for the the activities.
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