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Smith24525  
#1 Posted : 19 March 2010 11:22:53(UTC)
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Smith24525

One of our premises has recently had a new Dry Riser installed. I have noticed that there is no Air Release Valve fitted at the top of the installation. My question to all you Fire experts, "is it a requirement to have a valve fitted to the installation?" I was under the impression that when a riser is charged by the Fire Service a valve is required for the air to be released. I have consulted BS5306 Pt1, but it does not give enough information on this area. Any views on the subject?
PhilBeale  
#2 Posted : 19 March 2010 12:18:06(UTC)
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PhilBeale

i work in fire safety and i would have to be honest i wouldn't know if a valve had to be fitted, although i will watch out for it in the future. i would suggest contacting the company that carried out the installation as they should be the experts and more likely to know the answer. i would have thought once the fire service connect on to the raising main the air would be naturally vented when the valve is opened at what ever floor and the fire fighter would have procedure to ensure they have water at the hose before entering any fire. Of course I'm just guessing but i would contact the installer first. maybe number of outlets or total height of dry riser might have some affect as to if one is required or not. Without checking but i believe they need servicing/inspection every 6 months Phil
Firesafetybod  
#3 Posted : 19 March 2010 12:19:55(UTC)
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Firesafetybod

Hi heres a diagram to have a look at: http://www.chubbexport.c...i.php?navId=00b00100300c
bob youel  
#4 Posted : 19 March 2010 15:31:17(UTC)
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bob youel

in such systems there should not be a situation where an air block or similar e.g. dog leg could occure which would restrict and/or stop the flow of water/fire fighting substances - ask your pipework designer
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 19 March 2010 15:44:35(UTC)
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firesafety101

I would be very surprised if an air release valve has not been fitted. Have another look, it may be hidden somewhere at the top. It is essential to have the air removed when charging the main with water as it would delay the water getting to the landing valve, and cause some confusion at the fire.
Firesafetybod  
#6 Posted : 19 March 2010 17:36:57(UTC)
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Firesafetybod

Hi As Chris states – it is very unlikely that an air release valve has not been fitted. The installation company ought to provide you with the design features and specification. The new document, 'BS 9990'/2006, brings up to date the guidance on dry and wet fire mains, or risers, which was previously covered by BS 5306 Part 1. The principal changes from BS 5306 are that the new standard no longer gives guidance on when and where such systems are needed, as this is now given in guidance supporting the building regulations. The new Code deals solely with design, provision, siting, installation and maintenance. (Guidance on hose reels and foam inlets remains in the revised BS 5306 pt 1.) The annual testing and maintenance of both Dry and Wet Risers is the responsibility of the property owners or managing agents, carried out by competent person.
Wizard  
#7 Posted : 20 March 2010 05:51:23(UTC)
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Wizard

Smith 24525, As has been pointed out there needs to be a mechinism to release the entrapped air, as it is a new system ......new technology maybe prevailing, worth discussing with the installation company or design engineers. The connection of fire service equipment will not naturally release the air in the system. However, they ( the fire Brigade) could well experience difficulty in opening the landing valve due to the pressure impinging on the valve through charging the system, without having a release valve or discharging the system again. Regards Wizard
Smith24525  
#8 Posted : 22 March 2010 12:48:18(UTC)
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Smith24525

Thanks all you guys for your responses. As Chris points out i presumed that a air valve should be fitted, but as there was not one readily noticeable it cast doubt in my mind. Meeting with the company that fitted the riser later this week so i should have a definate answer.
firesafety101  
#9 Posted : 22 March 2010 13:05:49(UTC)
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firesafety101

Please let us have an update following your meeting - like I always say "we don't know what we don't know".
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