Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Zanshin67  
#1 Posted : 01 April 2010 09:41:08(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Zanshin67

Hi all

firstly what are your thoughts (if carried out fairly) on a card system red yellow etc for contractors? sub contractors.

Does anybody know of an effective system to implement? what works for you?

safe contractor safe site etc

Cheers
MaxPayne  
#2 Posted : 01 April 2010 10:04:34(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
MaxPayne

You probably need to think about how you'd apply the cards as a penalty, i.e. what level of failure would a red card be appropriate?

These might help as a starter:

Minor infringements:

Lack of health and safety signs
Lack of fire extinguishers
Failure to notify contract administrator of accidents and near misses
Damage to property or equipment

Significant infringements:

Lack of personal protective equipment
Lack of statutory inspection reports
Lack of construction phase H&S plan on site
Lack of site induction training records
Ladder faults
Lack of mechanical lifting equipment and excessive manual handling
Lack of proper care for flammable substances including LPG

Major infringements:

Failure to comply with asbestos removal and disposal legislation
Failings in site security that would allow non-employees to gain access
Activities that endanger passers-by and other non-employees in the vicinity
Lack of welfare facilities
Faults in scaffolds
Unqualified or untrained people on site
Faults in dumper trucks, fork trucks and other site vehicles
PhilBeale  
#3 Posted : 01 April 2010 10:14:53(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
PhilBeale

i think David might have been referring to individuals rather than a whole site. What do you do if the whole site gets a red card, shut it down.

I think it would be useful for a site that has known problems rather than applying the system to all sites. i think it is better to educate first if you find someone doing something wrong rather than using a card system. Why tar everyone with the same brush by bringing such as system in those who break the rules should be spoken to separately. Rather than implying to the whole site they are in the wrong by introducing a card system.

Phil
MaxPayne  
#4 Posted : 01 April 2010 11:29:57(UTC)
Rank: Super forum user
MaxPayne

PhilBeale wrote:
i think David might have been referring to individuals rather than a whole site. What do you do if the whole site gets a red card, shut it down.

Phil


Sorry, to clarify, I was assuming that the site would be managed by the principal contractor with a number of sub-contractors coming onto site and it was a question about applying a system, whether that be one of education, penalty or both, to those contractors.
Zanshin67  
#5 Posted : 01 April 2010 12:23:36(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Zanshin67

Thanks all.

apologies,

i meant to say an individual contractor or possibly the supervisor of an approved contractor.

in the interests of fairness i agree why shut the whole site

cheers
Simon Heesom  
#6 Posted : 01 April 2010 12:40:00(UTC)
Rank: Forum user
Simon Heesom

David 1967 Hi,

Presuming that the need to use either colour card would mean that there is a safety concern. Which is similar to other organisations (such as mine) that use non-conformance reports.

I apologise if you already do this, but in the first instance I would ensure that your contractors are competent by conducting a stringent selection process, this should hopefully lead to the selection of diligent contractors who hopefully won't cut safety corners, removing the need to trot out N/C's or cards (fingers crossed).

After each N/C (or yellow card) we stop the individual job, conduct an investigation, call in the contractors management and explain the problem and findings, returning the onus back to them to manage their employee's. As you are responsible under section 3, I would up the supervision rate for that contractor and document it (inspection reports) hopefully they will see that you mean it and your company does take safety seriously.

In all situations the individual concerned must be informed of what they have done to lead to the N/C or yellow card, it may be possible that they were just ignorant of the issue this would hopefully be found out during the investigation (and no wise cracks against Brickies, my Dad was a Brickie).

My company uses the three strikes and your out (red card) principle (3 yellows / 3 N/C's) the contractor company is then deemed too much of a risk for your company to use, as they will be driving you towards that potential section 3 offence. This would be recorded on your approved contractors register, big red stripe and every one knows that they are not to be used either again or for a specified time period.


Regards

Simon
Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.