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Roland  
#1 Posted : 02 April 2010 19:20:24(UTC)
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Roland

I have been asked to conduct a risk assessment for someone returning to work after 11months away the reason is the person suffered a brain aneurysm. I am not sure a standard work risk assessment will achieve the best result. I am of the feeling that a risk assessment of this nature should be handled by a occupational health nurse. does anyone have experience with this as this is the first time i have been asked to conduct this type of risk assessment.
Canopener  
#2 Posted : 02 April 2010 19:38:39(UTC)
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Canopener

Roland, yes I have done this some time ago and would have to just check back on the file to refresh my memory, and I have another lady about to return to work following the same. Do feel free to contact me 'off line' for further discussion if you need to.
Steve Sedgwick  
#3 Posted : 02 April 2010 20:04:36(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

It really needs an assessment from someone that understands the the medical condition of the patient ie an OCC Health Physician. Symptoms and recovery will differ from patient to patient and with this condition it is important that an Occ Health professional helps with the return to work planning. The range of symptoms can have serious safety implications to the individual and colleagues; dependant on the workplace and tasks. eg Peripheral vision deficits Speech complications Perceptual problems Sudden changes in behavior Loss of balance and coordination Decreased concentration Short-term memory difficulty Fatigue Steve
Garfield Esq  
#4 Posted : 02 April 2010 20:29:26(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

Absolutely - Any RA should be carried out in conjunction with GP and/or Occupational Health Provider and the person and be in line with data protection etc. In fact, this is a perfect example for you to test how the new 'fit note' law will work. GC
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 03 April 2010 00:01:31(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Surely "Risk Assessment" is the incorrect term here. Fitness for work,capability and reasonable adjustments all discussed with the employee in conjunction with relevant medical experts, including immediate occupational health referral.
Garfield Esq  
#6 Posted : 03 April 2010 10:17:09(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

ron hunter wrote:
Surely "Risk Assessment" is the incorrect term here. Fitness for work,capability and reasonable adjustments all discussed with the employee in conjunction with relevant medical experts, including immediate occupational health referral.
No Ron, I work closely with HSE / MCA approved OHPs and have been involved in completing 'return to work risk assessments' for 5 years and have records dating back to 89 (although I cannot guarantee the term RA was used in the title at that time - will investigate on Tues). We should not get hung up on the term 'risk assessment' so much; the process of considering or assessing risk that may arise from planned events or actions has been going on long before the 'big six' appeared. Just a semantic issue at best.
SBH  
#7 Posted : 03 April 2010 21:46:07(UTC)
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SBH

Whats the hazard is a question you should ask
Ron Hunter  
#8 Posted : 04 April 2010 01:48:56(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

HSE "approving" OHPs? Please expand.
Garfield Esq  
#9 Posted : 04 April 2010 15:07:18(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

ron hunter wrote:
HSE "approving" OHPs? Please expand.
Certainly Ron, Occupational Health Providers (OHPs) approved by competency levels set by HSE - Refer to http://www.hse.gov.uk/co...thrisks/competencies.htm And OHPs / Medical Practitioners (MPs) approved by Maritime and Coastguard Agency (MCA) - Refer to http://www.pml-solas.org...ls%20doctors%20list.pdf. Sorry I should have made clearer in earlier post - We have been asked on several occasions by pertainent external regulatory bodies to demonstrate OHP / MP competence. We tend to use an independant HSE/MCA approved OHP and at times MCA NHS approved GP both of which commonly use the term Risk Assessment when discussing return to work issues. I assummed that the term was common place as I have heard it said on many occasions. Hope the above helps. GC
Garfield Esq  
#10 Posted : 04 April 2010 15:55:17(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

grrrrrrrrrr -no edit function - i hate missing spelling mistakes!!!!
Roland  
#11 Posted : 05 April 2010 21:38:48(UTC)
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Roland

Thanks for all the reply's, i will take the information on board and even contact the first reply to develop information further. regards Roland
Ron Hunter  
#12 Posted : 06 April 2010 01:34:06(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Garfield: Yes, I understand HSE suggesting competency levels. We all have to demonstrate competency from time to time. That's not "approval" as you stated though. More to the point though: Am I the only one slightly uncomfortable with having two areas of the profession using the same term (R/A) but meaning something different by it? I know I've had some pretty confused conversations with OHPs around this subject.
Jim Tassell  
#13 Posted : 06 April 2010 12:22:14(UTC)
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Jim Tassell

Ron I agree with you about the problems of differing meanings of the term "risk assessment". Picking up on other comments, plus those elsewhere, I fear that H&S practitioners will increasingly be drawn into return to work cases where some bright spark has used the all-purpose get out of jail card that reads "do a risk assessment" on the fit note without giving the reason why or any indication of the nature of the risk that they envisage. Let's all hum the lyrics to "it all makes work for the working man to do". Or am I being too cynical this morning? Joking apart, is anyone aware of any properly set up and funded study of implementation of the new fit note scheme? Jim
Roland  
#14 Posted : 06 April 2010 15:46:16(UTC)
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Roland

Phil Rose wrote:
Roland, yes I have done this some time ago and would have to just check back on the file to refresh my memory, and I have another lady about to return to work following the same. Do feel free to contact me 'off line' for further discussion if you need to.
Hi Phil Rose, I am not sure about this but is it possible to send me your e-mail address to further our discussion? My e-mail is motownphilly5987@msn.com. I can then give you my mobile number. Kind Regards Roland
Garfield Esq  
#15 Posted : 07 April 2010 21:10:11(UTC)
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Garfield Esq

ron hunter wrote:
Garfield: Yes, I understand HSE suggesting competency levels. We all have to demonstrate competency from time to time. That's not "approval" as you stated though. More to the point though: Am I the only one slightly uncomfortable with having two areas of the profession using the same term (R/A) but meaning something different by it? I know I've had some pretty confused conversations with OHPs around this subject.
Ron: Our OHP is approved through the competency levels set by the HSE and much more stringently by the MCA. These levels are not 'suggested'. As I said earlier, my post could have been clearer so no need for me to keep clarifying the situation. As for the term 'Risk Assessment' I really fail to see the issue - We also carry out Environmental Risk Assessments and Corporate Risk Assessments - Health and Safety operatives do not own the term and never have to my knowledge. Not really worthy of any further comment. Its just a process of assessing risk irrespective of origin. Chow GC
Canopener  
#16 Posted : 07 April 2010 21:23:38(UTC)
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Canopener

Roland - I have sent you an e mail but you can use this forum to send a private message as well - Phil
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