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Hi All,
Looking for some practical guidance on the use and in particular vetting of German based companies that will be sending their employees to the UK to install equipment that they have designed and built in Germany.
I have sent them our standard contractor approval questionnaire and it has come back with very little information filled in and zero supporting evidence. I'm really trying to get some advice on how far I reasonably have to go with this, I know that they should be complying with the same standard of legislation as us, however it does not appear to be implemented with the same vigour as it is in the UK.
I'm thinking that maybe because we will only be using them on the initial install in a brand new facility (restriced access) and then possibly during the warranty period if there's any problems, it would be acceptable to just get a copy of their insurance details and training records for evidence of competency.
They don't appear to understand what a risk assessment and method statement is, how do I deal with this side of it, has anybody experience with this and offer some practical advice please.
PS. not an option to shop around, about 18 months too late, contracts etc placed before I joined company, and they are due to be on site next month.
Solo.
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Solomon,
As no one else has had a go at a reply, I'll try.
I have worked for a German co. in the UK.
We were the UK division.
We worked for other German co.'s on their sites and other scenarios.
My PERSONAL take on this is, send the form back requesting correct completion to meet UK legislation.
If they cannot do this then inform them that they will not be legally allowed to work on UK premies unles they can prove they can fully meet the required legislation otherwise.
Remember also the controller of premises requirements under HASAWA.
Thus if they cannot do this the contract penalty clauses will kick in (hopefully they are there) and thus they will be liable to costs.
My expereince is that they do understand, and they are trying to minimise costs!
Paul
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Thanks for your comments Paul, very helpful and appreciated.
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Solomon, we had the same issues with a Canadian company. Quick flight (?) to there home base, and a day in their facility with the engineers sorted everything out. Germany is only a short hop for you.
Indeed consider putting the shoe on the other foot; would you be able to complete a German pre-qualifying assessment form that asked you to interpret, understand, and implement German safety legislation to work in there country....'more bricks and less clicks' perhaps.
Only a thought!
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Chazmack
Could be that the German contractor can't understand your UK H&S speak.
Possibly you could revisit your questionnaire and link back to the requirements of the relevant directives, e.g. for risk assessment, the EC Framework Directive.
Regards, Peter
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Peter, I'm sure you meant Solomon?
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Yes, probably an older moment!
P
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Agree with the last few posts, First insure you comply with UK legislation otherwise things could go very wrong. Also having lived in Germany for 5 years it proberbly is a communications error.
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I'm a German Safety Adviser and your business partner should be fully aware that he needs to cooperate with you (in accordance with their HSW Regulations (Arbeitsschutzgesetz)). He possibly doesn't fully your request (the translation of risk assessment is "Gefährdungsbeuerteilung"). If you decide to come to Germany to meet up with your client and need some assistance then give me a call
Manny
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Thanks Guys - some excellent comments and practical advice, just what I was looking for. I've arranged to go out there and meet with them in a couple of weeks.
I wonder if I can convince the MD to buy next time from the caribbean!
Solo
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