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AdriantheBaggie  
#1 Posted : 14 April 2010 11:27:47(UTC)
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AdriantheBaggie

We are in the process of raising peoples awareness on our site with regard to ascending and descending stairs. We have had 7 incidents in 4 years where people have injured themselves (minor). We have assessed the stairs and they all appear to be in a very good condition. A review of the accident records show most of these attribute to persons not paying attention or being overburdened with laptops, bags, cups of coffee, etc. I am looking for ideas to promote this without going over the top. I have received one suggestion to install hand prints on the handrails and footprints on the individual stair treads. I can see two sides to this, the hand and foot prints are clearly visible and direct people - positive, whereas on the flipside the negative perception - do we have to be told how to ascend and descend stairs now? We have approximately 700 + people on site so the amount of incidents to stair movements is neglible/tolerable.

comments aplenty welcome
Amberlight  
#2 Posted : 15 April 2010 10:27:22(UTC)
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Amberlight

I've always been of the impression that more injuries are sustained while ascending stairs than descending them. When descending, the majority of persons place the whole foot down onto the stair tread (even if rushing), but while ascending, in the main, only the front half or less of the foot makes contact with the edge of the tread and if slips off (quite common!!) next point of contact is the shin against the stair tread nosing. Ouch.

Basic awareness raising of body positions and "what if" scenarios.
grim72  
#3 Posted : 15 April 2010 10:54:04(UTC)
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grim72

Personally I don't think the footprints etc would make any difference - as with most things after a period of time people won't even notice them anymore. What I would recommend (if not already in place) is to use antislip stair nosings (photoluminescent) which can help towards DDA compliance (assuming it offers a sharp contrast to the step colour) and also a useful addition to the stairwell in the event of a power failure. Naturally the anti-slip nature also provides a useful service.
Lwood  
#4 Posted : 15 April 2010 11:13:13(UTC)
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Lwood

Interesting, a few years ago I was in the same position, had a few accidents on a stair well and whilst investigating I out it down to multiple causes i.e. shoes, wet, carrying items and lack of attention etc. What happened next was I too stumbled on the stairs and I knew that non of the above issues applied (after all I am cautious and otherwise perfect). So I took more time to look and checked the lighting, and friction on the steps but to my surprise when I looked at the steps in detail I found that 3 of the risers had different heights, the result being that 3 of the steps where out by between 10 -40mm!
It seems that we all climb stairs by looking at the step 4-5 above where you place your feet and our brain calculates the step based on this. Its worth going back to the steps and running a line down them to see if they are all the same size!
My apologies if you have already done this.

L
Muiryden  
#5 Posted : 15 April 2010 11:26:22(UTC)
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Muiryden

Sadly, we had to put notices up instructing people to hold the handrail (safety device) so they are in a position to prevent a fall should a trip occur (a bit like the "three points of contact" rule for ladders / steps). Maybe I am getting cynical - how far do you take it?
Jane Blunt  
#6 Posted : 15 April 2010 11:58:17(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

Lwood has mentioned something that is extremely important, the even-ness of the stairs.

I had a conducted visit around a very old courthouse once, and we were cautioned to be very careful going up and down the staircase. Each riser was slightly different, and this had been designed deliberately, hundreds of years ago, to stop criminals from escaping from Court. The aim was to make them fall down the stairs. I imagine it was a fairly successful control measure.

stephendclarke  
#7 Posted : 15 April 2010 12:40:32(UTC)
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stephendclarke

Hi,
Any trip/slip problems I'd look at following areas first to identify any issues that need addressing: cleaning, lighting, obstructions, footware, flooring.
Did have a spate of slips in the past it was down to a cleaner using a too concentrated cleaning solution; on another occasion the embedded nosings were worn and positioned too far back from the step edge. HSE have a lot of excellent info, attended a brilliant HSE workshop on this topic which was very reasonably priced and provided lots of info/powerpoints etc something of a revelation can recommend it.
Cheers
Steve
Invictus  
#8 Posted : 15 April 2010 12:51:30(UTC)
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Invictus

Why are we teaching people to walk up and down stairs? Is this not just another example of health and safety gone mad?

I always understood that H&S was about work related tasks, surely walking up and down stairs is an everyday task.

Next we'll be risk assessing making tea, climbing trees and playing conkers.

Is it any wonder we continue to be ridiculed in the media.
stephendclarke  
#9 Posted : 15 April 2010 13:02:15(UTC)
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stephendclarke

Hi,
I agree signs/training aren't in my experience effective and are viewed quite understandably as OTT but its about the workplace, maintenance, appropriate lighting, cleaning, tidiness, footwear, flooring, nosings, standard stairs etc, so worth checking as if you fall on stairs invariably you are off work for some time with all the disruption that can lead to.
Regards
Steve
KieranD  
#10 Posted : 15 April 2010 13:37:34(UTC)
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Several responses contain sound ergonomic proposals yet your own observation is vital: 'the flipside the negative perception - do we have to be told how to ascend and descend stairs now?'

Recurrent dead-end exchanges between IOSH officers and Director with media illustrate the pitfalls you refer to.

A way of avoiding these pitfalls is to survey staff about communicating occupatinal health and safety messages. I'm sometimes amazed at how safety professionals crover notice boards with screeds of jargon and no good images ('Smiley' stereotypes are a caricature of safety and health) and then wonder about the 'impact' of their messages. The non-response and failure of managers as well as other staff to recall any messages is itself a rational response to boring, tedious bureaucratese.

Without details of your organisational context, it's impossible to be specific about how you design such a survey. Yet Q methodology and repertory grids offer a very powerful method of gaining insights you can use for a communications campaign for 3+ years.
FHS  
#11 Posted : 15 April 2010 14:16:06(UTC)
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FHS

[quote We have approximately 700 + people on site so the amount of incidents to stair movements is neglible/tolerable. comments aplenty welcome


Not trying to be funny but haven't you answered your own question here?
ptaylor14  
#12 Posted : 15 April 2010 14:23:31(UTC)
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ptaylor14

FHS wrote:
[quote We have approximately 700 + people on site so the amount of incidents to stair movements is neglible/tolerable. comments aplenty welcome


Not trying to be funny but haven't you answered your own question here?


I would concur
AdriantheBaggie  
#13 Posted : 15 April 2010 14:47:03(UTC)
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AdriantheBaggie

Thanks to everyone for comments. All feedback is welcomed and I will use it in my reply to site. Thanks again.
Adrian
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