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ang  
#1 Posted : 15 April 2010 13:43:39(UTC)
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ang

I have been asked by our FD to find out if my IOSH and other memberships should be declared by the company as a benefit in kind. Obviously, if this is the case I will be taxed accordingly - I would be interested to learn from other members how their companies deal with this issue. My company are willing to pay the membership, however, I effectively will personally be penalised for furthering my career. Ang.
Alan Haynes  
#2 Posted : 15 April 2010 14:26:53(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

Ang wrote:
.............. My company are willing to pay the membership, however, I effectively will personally be penalised for furthering my career. Ang.
If they pay it, [or reimburse your payment of the fees], it is of course a Benefit In Kind - and therefore taxable [same as with a company car, health insurance etc etc] I don't see how you are penalised - they pay you £110 - and the taxman takes about £28 from you in tax - you are £80 up on if you paid your own fees
Alan Haynes  
#3 Posted : 15 April 2010 14:28:23(UTC)
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Alan Haynes

Ang wrote:
.............. My company are willing to pay the membership, however, I effectively will personally be penalised for furthering my career. Ang.
If they pay it, [or reimburse your payment of the fees], it is of course a Benefit In Kind - and therefore taxable [same as with a company car, health insurance etc etc] I don't see how you are penalised - they pay you £110 - and the taxman takes about £28 from you in tax - you are £80 up on if you paid your own fees
wizzpete  
#4 Posted : 15 April 2010 14:36:38(UTC)
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wizzpete

I would imagine that your Accountant could answer this one for you and although I am not one, I do come from a Finance background. Your company could argue that it is a business expense as it is not for your benefit, but the company's that you undertake CPD activities as well as maintaining currency on OSH matters - this is no different to subscribing to a business journal and it is only of personal benefit if you leave your current Employer. Maybe a quick call to your Tax Office could clarify the Revenue's position?
RayRapp  
#5 Posted : 15 April 2010 15:56:52(UTC)
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RayRapp

I am not a financial guru but if the company requires an employee to be a member of an accredited association or to complete CPD, then surely it could be argued that the company should ensure annual subscriptions are paid for by the company. most companies that i have worked for have paid for up to two annual subscriptions. ps tell your FD to get a life.
chris.packham  
#6 Posted : 15 April 2010 16:19:52(UTC)
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chris.packham

I went through this exercise recently. The tax authorities finally agreed that my membership subscriptions were part of my being appropriately qualified to do the job I do and thus a business expense. I am self-employed, so this had a direct bearing on my tax situation. However, some years ago, when in employment, a similar approach was taken by the company's accountant and accepted by the tax authorities. Chris
ang  
#7 Posted : 15 April 2010 16:59:08(UTC)
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ang

Thank you for your comments. I find it strange my FD is asking my opinion, because he doesn't seem to know!! However, my argument was that if it were not for my employment in this position I would not be a member so see it as a business expense - and since I have been a member for the last 5 years and this has not be questioned in that time. The reason for the post was to get some general thoughts on this so I can discuss with him, so thank you. Ang.
KieranD  
#8 Posted : 15 April 2010 16:59:39(UTC)
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Is this really an issue you can quantify as you have? Your statement; 'I effectively will personally be penalised for furthering my career' implies that you will never, ever benefit by using whatever you gain through IOSH membership, for example by enjoying the fellowship of other members at branch and other IOSH meetings, by assimilating information and knowledge they offer you without direct payment from you, by being assessed as a professional of 'chartered' status to be acknowledged by the world as 'safety-competent'. If such opportunities are no value to you personally, why bother being an IOSH member? If they're of no personal benefit, allow others to enjoy them for what they're worth to them which may well be more or less than the figure you cite. Instead of an accountant, is it not worth consulting someone who can enable you to quantify the value you create for your employer, for yourself and the society you contribute to?
ang  
#9 Posted : 15 April 2010 17:20:31(UTC)
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ang

I am not implying anything - certainly not that my IOSH membership is of no use to me. I am merely trying to answer a question I have never been asked in all my years of membership. I am also not implying that I would not be willing to declare as payment in kind - I just wanted to understand the implications and how this works for other people. I do not have company car and I do not have any other "benefits" over and above my salary, so have not had reason to understand that I would be taxed on my IOSH membership. Thank you to those of you that have given me your views, which is what I was asking for, not a personal attack... Ang.
stephendclarke  
#10 Posted : 15 April 2010 19:04:44(UTC)
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stephendclarke

Hi, Worked for several large organisations but despite the role requiring IOSH membership never been lucky enough to have my membership paid by the organisation. Regards Steve
Reed21854  
#11 Posted : 16 April 2010 11:16:01(UTC)
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Reed21854

Hello there Being a Chartered member was part of my orignal job advert and a requirement for the post. My company pays the annual IOSH fees, sometimes pays for training which goes towards my CPD, I make time to do various other bits and pieces for CPD and nothing gets declared as a perk or benefit as IOSH membership is seen as a competence requirement.
kev3152  
#12 Posted : 16 April 2010 13:11:51(UTC)
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kev3152

I work for a central government body primarily engaged in assessing and collecting revenues (no prizes for guessing). Until recently I've struggled to get membership fees of my professional association paid by my employer. As it's now a requirement under CPD to aspire to membership there is now no ambiguity BUT I am taxed on the contribution as a Benefit in Kind. I doubt that I could appeal to a higher authority so those of you who aren't may (for the time being) have dodged the bullet. I wouldn't take it for granted that you always will though.
Bruce Sutherland  
#13 Posted : 18 April 2010 22:08:14(UTC)
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Bruce Sutherland

Perhaps this is a task for those nice people at IOSH HQ - I am sure that if they contact HMRC and put a good case then IOSH subs will be tax allowable - I have a feeling that some other professional bodies are and I believe that it really depends on shouting loud - eg at one time Barristers could claim £1000 for use of an office at home whilst the rest of the world could only claim £500 Cheers Bruce
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