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I hope this information will not affect all people with NEBOSH Certificates, based on my personal observation to our colleques in HSE profession after passing NEBOSH certification they abandon all informations and knowledge they earn before examinations.
Based on my personal observations, some of our colleques in HSE profession did not apply what they lernt and what is the value of thier certificates.
If this is the practise after recieving NEBOSH certificate, any suggestion to correct those certificate holders and is it possible to implement desciplinary action from issuing body?
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Dominador Theres an an old saying in the UK "you can lead a horse to water, but you can not make it drink" People learn a subject to pass an exam, it doesn't mean they will then put what they have learnt in to practice. Look at the standards of driving , particularly in your part of the world. If people join professional bodies such as IOSH then they are compelled to maintain high standards of professionalism.
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Lets not forget, it takes more than just qualifications to be competent.
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In the past I have taken, and passed many exams but I now find I have forgotten more than I remember. I have now lost the will to study for tests, that's why I chose the NVQ route and that coupled with my experience got me firstly the RSP and then CMIOSH.
Once I gained that status I have to follow the CPD route and maintain my competence by proving I am still doing what I should do to retain that stature.
Anyone new to the NEBOSH certificate will start out on the road to competence by working in health and safety and hopefully will be responsible enough to recognise their level.
Just because people do not remember what they have learnt to pass an exam does not mean they are negligent, it was a means to an end.
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Ador
that seems a very general statement. can I ask how many people you used to come to that conclusion, and what field they came from.
There is also the fact that even though someone has a NEBOSH Certificate they do not have to be a member of IOSH. What sort of action would you like to see them take. They cannot really threaten to expel them as you do not need to be qualified or a member of IOSh to do Health & Safety.
Mike
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'IMO,' and that is all it is. It is no difference in most industries apart from perhaps the legal profession...obvious reasons.There was much information I used to pass the certificate (with a distinction [for what that was worth] I might add), that I have and will never ever really use (in the way it was taught.)
Experience, or maybe how you apply the taught material is key, it is never (or rarely) the same twice thus description rules on almost every occasion. I can see where you are coming from with your post, but, and it is a big but; those that wish to take the profession seriously, will apply their teachings in many differing ways, just because a person does not continue to speak a language that has been taught (to ultimately pass an exam) does not mean they are not a proficient practitioner in the art of health & safety.
Many seasoned (fully qualified) practitioners have admitted on many an occasion (on these forums) they would struggle to pass the general cert if presented with it again. Exams and the real life are (IMO, and I'll not sway from that opinion) are two quite different places. Principles...Yes, application though? Oh that is down to experience and the circumstances.
And of course a person with every qualification going has nothing to do with having a retentive memory....in-so-far as passing exams...does it?
I have a BSc (hons from 30+ years ago) Do I have a clue how to apply it now? Absolutely not...I lost interest in it decades ago, does it make me a numpty? (don't all shout at once perlease) You would need to ask those that come into contact with me on a daily basis for a definitive answer to that one.
Loving what you do, compared to just doing it because...is the deciding factor for me...mostly anyway:-0)
CFT
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I would like to thank you all for giving feedback, comments and suggestions to my topic. The only thing which I want to be high lighted is "why some of them are not standing for what they learnt and not standing for having NEBOSH CERTIFICATE?
Is it because they are afraid from thier PM, CM and Engineers within the project?
Workers are giving chances to work in unsafe scaffolding platform, unsafe excavation disturb ground condition with 90degrees sloping, working @ hieghts without proper training how to use FBSH, doing hot works without permit to work & sometimes using damage gauges and no flash back arrestor, no proper procedures for confined space activity etc.etc...
These are my observations and I am very interested to correct them by giving briefings and meetings, but giving desciplinary action is the only thing and easiest way of correcting people with the same qualifications.
I raise this issue for the sake of the site workers and other people coming to job site.
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Ador I think you need to talk to these individuals and find out from them WHY they aren't implementing their knowledge. It ciould be for many reasons - for example perhaps they are not very high up in the management structure and do not have the authority or confidence to do anything. How do you know they haven't tried but just been ignored?
As for "Disciplinary action is the only thing" I would very strongly disagree with that if you don't even know why the individuals are behaving in this way. Disciplinary action should be a last resort.
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