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Advice sought -
I have been asked to look at the ergonomics of a vehicle - no problems with that, I have done this for several of our staff who drive company vehicles and made appropriate suggestions i.e change vehicle to one with fully adjusable seat and steering column.
My problem is the vehicle I have been asked to look at belongs to a staff member who gets an esential car users allowance. The vehicle is needed for them to carry out their job, the position the person works is part time, the milage done is not excessive (maximum of 20 miles in a day), they are stating their current driving position causes pain in their lower back and legs.
I can state the vehicle is not suitable, but I know the company will not provide a suitable vehicle due to cost. Options and opinions please.
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Perhaps the company may agree to supply a different seat? It could be seen as a compromise. There are also some seat 'covers' avaiable that could offer extra lumbar support/cushioning. This would depend on what is causing the problems for the driver, however, as I would have thought only driving 20 miles a day is not usually sufficient to incur pain.
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You can also buy a lumbar support cushion that is designed to be used on a car seat (don't know if this is the answer to the problem - but they are available).
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What you do depends on money you have but have you considered that the essential car user allowance means that they have to supply a suitable vehicle?
Cushions and back supports are avialable as mentioned above. Lilian
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I have been in a similar situation but the request was to supply an automatic vehicle for the same reasons. The company I worked for at the time insisted that we send the employee to an OHP before any decision was made. The OHP diagnosed that the back and leg pains were not being caused by the vehicle but due to an underlying problem. The employee consequently undertook further treatment but eventuall left the employment as he was no linger able to fulfill his duties. 20 miles a day doesnt seem much to cause discomfort - are they fit for work?
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Hello
When you state: I can state the vehicle is not suitable, but I know the company will not provide a suitable vehicle due to cost. Options and opinions please.
it's necessary to consider details of the context.
'Not suitable' can mean a huge variety of things. To resolve the problem it's necessary to specify it with a thorough ergonomic analysis including measurements of the employee's upper and lower limbs, his/her height and weight, the force necessary to control the pedals at various speeds, the dimensions of the seat.
It's then possible to present a case to your board with relating the hazards to both the PUWER Regulations and the Disability Discrimination Act. They can then evaluate their options which may include discussing with the employee the possibility of applying for assistance under the Access to Work programme.
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For those distances it would be more cost effective to let the person drive their own vehicle and pay them travel allowance.
I agree with the the earlier post to refer the person to a OHP. That way pre-existing conditions and advice will be recorded for the future.
Steve
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Just to expand on Steve's comment the original statement is '...belongs to a staff member who gets an essential car users allowance.' This says to me that they are paid to drive their own personal car.
If that is the case, how does the person manage normally? I would be looking to find out how long they have owned the car (presuming we're talking about their car), how many miles it has done and calculating an average daily mileage during normal useage. The average annual milage for a privately owned car is 12000 miles per year, divided by 365 works out at 33 miles per day. The mileage you are asking this person to drive is well below that.
Irrespective of the mileages, who owns the car is the question that needs answering first. Also what type of car is it, a modern saloon/hatchback or a series 1 Landrover, back to the fit for purpose question that's been asked.
Sorry first time I had access for a year so thought I'd get my rant over early.
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Hi,
I have to agree with Potter21118 and others, it appears to me that the provision of a suitable means of transport by the postholder would be one of the conditions of service and should hopefully be specified as such.
Regards
Steve
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Hi
This advise is a bit oblique, but hopfully is of use to you.
When you carry out vehicle assessments do you use the Driving Ergonomics tools for this? They are produced by leading Ergonomists and are backed up by research. Here is the link http://www.drivingergonomics.com/
I hope also I am not teaching you to suck eggs, but the basics of task analysis may help with assessments as it is not just about the work equipment, but also the task and the person. So maybe using the basic method of - who, doing what, with what, where and why, may be useful.
The advise on referral to OH is good, as are back supports. I personally like the mesh type that can be bought at service stations on the M1, or office supplies companies.
Also, the OH advisor should be asked to look at whether or not the pain they are suffering is due to them being caused harm whilst they drive. If it is not, then is it a big enough problem to warrant condeming the vehicle?
Ian
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From what you have said the person owns the car so i don't see how it is the fault of the company if the person bought a car that is unsuitable for there needs. i assume they use the car for more than just work use so surely it down to them to either resolve the issue for themselves (is there an obvious reason).
As other have said maybe look at helping them adjust the seating by use of lumbar support or other such equipment but as for paying greater cost than this then i would have thought not. they are likely to use the car more for domestic and pleasure as they are ever for work. as you say 20 miles (also assuming that would be ten miles there and ten miles back so would be less time in the car in one go given it would be two journeys)isn't that greater distance and would not be responsible for the issues identified in such a short journey.
Phil
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Quote "My problem is the vehicle I have been asked to look at belongs to a staff member who gets an esential car users allowance."
So this is clearly not a company owned vehicle.
Therefore, my approach would be to advise the employee to take advice from his own medical advisers and look to see if he can find suitable adjustments, or a more suitable vehicle, to allow him to carry out his work safely if those are deemed necessary by his advisers.
If I were a qualified or competent ergonomist I might offer some more specific guidance on a personal sort of fellow employee level but nothing more. This is an example of the strange matters that can arise where employers are allowed to require an employee to provide their own "tools". Of course the employer may need to stay aware of the fact that their employee is claiming the use of kit that may be unsuitable--but that is a whole different question.
p48
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Sounds like someone wants a company car......
Oops sorry, did I say that out aloud? I've had one of those days!
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I suggest taking it one step at a time and work your way up the list of solutions starting with the cheapest and easiest, i.e. talking to the person and investigating the backround of the pain itself.
Sometimes people just want to talk and have some attention paid to their problems and if you spend an hour with the person and perhaps join them at their car and go through the options of seat adjustment with them it might be enough - and free(ish).
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