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John Houlihan  
#1 Posted : 13 May 2010 23:34:43(UTC)
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John Houlihan

We are heading for a busy time. Mr Cameron plans are full of holes.....more like loop holes for those responsible for injuries, deaths and diseases caused by industrial activity. I think he will change his tune once he sits up and listens to those who know best. It will be very interesting to see the wave of change within the construction industry, the increase in injuries etc etc etc. He will meet with plenty of opposition I'm sure! Perhaps IOSH can educate him? Has anyone read his health and safety speech....it's laughable! I would like to see what the major contractors group say about his plans, as they all back his regime!!
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 14 May 2010 08:22:42(UTC)
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firesafety101

I think we should all wait and see exacly what happens next. There is a brand new government in place with both sides having given ground. Give them a chance.
Fraser38932  
#3 Posted : 14 May 2010 09:00:56(UTC)
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Fraser38932

My Tuppence Worth I think due to public sector spending cuts, Contractors ( especially social housing contractors ) will feel the brunt of these cuts when housing associations / councils cut the housing budget which means reduced spend for proprty refurbishments if these clients get a reduced budget from local or central government. Ultimately redundancies will occur for all levels of staff working for the contractors if they are involved in Social Housing either housebuilding or property refurbishment / upgrades during this year. John
Rob Strange  
#4 Posted : 14 May 2010 09:43:47(UTC)
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Rob Strange

I can confirm that, since David Cameron's December speech on health and safety, we have met with his appointed advisor (Lord Young) three times and Lord Young has also been the keynote speaker at the recent IOSH conference. His detailed report, hopefully, will contain some elements of our advice but we won't know how much he has been "listening" until his report becomes more public. Rob Strange OBE Chief Executive IOSH
db  
#5 Posted : 14 May 2010 09:46:25(UTC)
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db

Morning all, Are the new incumbrants planning to re-write PUWER, LOLER,HASAWA then, have I missed a trick?? I was also unaware that Health and Safety common sense is the preserve of the socialist only. I can only speak for myself, but the laws of gravity and physics have not changed in the last 8 days, neither has LOLER98 - so I shall continue to ensure that anyone who comes into contact with me leaves both encouraged and confident that they know the best course of action vis-a-vis Lifting Equipment to keep their workforce and the public safe. Yours aye Db (Former RMT)
Clairel  
#6 Posted : 14 May 2010 10:08:18(UTC)
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Clairel

I agree with Chris and db. John, what utter nonesense and what scaremongering. A change in Gov't is not going to see a massive increase in death and injury in the workplace. We still have H&S law and we still have human instinct to protect ourselves and each other (for the most part!!). I'm getting quite sick of hearing the labour supporters doom and gloom on one thing or another. I for one have no political allegiance and I am quite happy to give the coalition gov't a chance to prove themselves. In some ways maybe joint policies will actually be for the best. Moderation perhaps. Who knows. But I think right now they have slightly more important things to think about than H&S, like the economy. Without a decent economy and jobs there will be no workers to be killed or injured in the first place.
Fraser38932  
#7 Posted : 14 May 2010 11:09:29(UTC)
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Fraser38932

Clairel I was speaking from contractor viewpoint and from past experience of working for consultancy and Principal Contractor. Putting it simply if there is a cut in housing spend then Social Housing Contractors will cut its own staff = reduced employment prospects for new / experienced health and safety personell or existing health and safety staff facing redundancy. This is a fact that staff face who work in this sector. John
Clairel  
#8 Posted : 14 May 2010 11:14:06(UTC)
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Clairel

John, My post was directed at the original person who posted this thread, John.
Fraser38932  
#9 Posted : 14 May 2010 11:29:56(UTC)
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Fraser38932

Clairel Too many Johns I think ! Although I think when the dust settles ( so to speak ) there will be numerous opportunities for work for people to become health and safety consultants when the construction economy starts to move again. Its just a case of when.
Bob Howden  
#10 Posted : 14 May 2010 13:17:17(UTC)
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Bob Howden

Their legislative programme wil be detailed in the Queen's Speech. The agreement between the Conservatives and Lib Dems is also available to consult. If you remember the answers that the Lib Dems and the Tories gave in the pre-election questions from IOSH I think that there is a probability that we'll eventually end up with something inbetween. In other words no significant changes in the short term. Also parliamentary time is limited and there will be far more important legislation connected with financial governance that they will probably need to deal with first to establish more confidence in the financial environment. If anything is going to change I'm sure we'll get more than ample warning.
NigelB  
#11 Posted : 16 May 2010 16:26:31(UTC)
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NigelB

Dear All Bob is right - we should get plenty of warning about any changes. There doesn't appear to be a great deal to get excited about yet. David Young is doing a health and safety review. I expect it will get published at some stage, might even be soon. At that point any proposals will get discussed. If they form some basis of legal change they will have to be formulated into regulations and a consultation document will have to be issued. If it is a contentious issue, a discussion document could be issued. Normally the consultation period will last three months during which anybody who cares to can comment. Following this there is usually a period when the proposals are further discussed with relevant stakeholders. Proposed regulations would need to be agreed by the HSE and submitted to Ministers. If a set of regulations is then agreed, there is a parliamentary process during which the regulations 'lay' in Parliament. Even at this stage technical objections can be made, such as the Tories did against the last set of asbestos regulations. Historically this has not been what one would regard as a ‘fast track’ process. Agreed regulations then usually have a period of time before they are enacted. According to the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974, no new legislation can be introduced which worsens the standards in existence. In other words under Section 1(2) of the Act, new laws need to ‘maintain or improve’ standards of health, safety and welfare established by existing ‘enactments’. There may be concern about the proposed Tories amendments to the HSAWA 1974 to exempt the police service from certain current requirements; the somewhat bizarre report from the Policy Exchange ‘Health and Safety – Reducing the Burden report has already received comment; and the speeches from David Cameron and David Young, the latter at the IOSH conference. It might be worth waiting to see some actual proposals before going into ‘the end of the world is nigh’ mode. Cheers. Nigel
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 16 May 2010 23:04:59(UTC)
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RayRapp

I suspect all this 'de-regulation' nonsense is nothing more than pre-election rhetoric. We have seen it all before, 'the railways are not for sale' aka Prescott and then when in office promptly privatises the London Underground maintenance department (now back in-house). The fact is, most of the UK legisalation is now an EU requirement and as such the incumbent government have very little say in the matter.
John Houlihan  
#13 Posted : 17 May 2010 09:42:50(UTC)
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John Houlihan

I'm pleased to have stirred a bit of healthy debate. There are some great responses. My concerns are based purely on the history of past conservative governments. I do hope the current coalition government are successful and fulfill their dreams and as one post response said "we cannot go backwards".
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