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fiesta  
#1 Posted : 02 June 2010 09:48:28(UTC)
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fiesta

Hi,

As part of our wider business operations we own a joinery manufacturing business that uses 4 small compressors to power panel pin guns and other air powered tools.

Our smallest compressor is 50l with a max. safe pressure of 8 bar
Our biggest is 200l with a max. safe pressure of 10bar with 2 others in between

Last week I arranged for a gentleman from a reputable compressed air specialist to come and have a look at our equipment with a view to quoting for annual inspections and any subsequent maintenance.

Firstly, while I am in no way an expert in this area (not even close) I have read the Pressure Systems Regs. I was under the impression that any Compressor with a Bar / Litre value above 250 would require a written scheme of examination setting out the required maintenance and frequency.

My guy stated this was not the case.

Have I got it wrong ?

Secondly, this guy was talking about talking about testing the thickness of the metal and the possibility of filling the receivers with water under pressure to test them and while I haven't had his quote back yet, this all sounds fairly expensive.

My question being, is this sort of thing required on small systems such as these.
I think the most expensive of our systems was £300.00 give or take.
It's sounding possible that it would be cheaper to buy new compressors every couple of years than to pay for maintenance.

Any advice greatly appreciated.
As I said this is not our core business and as such my experience is very limited

Thanks

Andy



Jane Blunt  
#2 Posted : 02 June 2010 10:02:24(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

You are right, above 250 bar litres there is a need for a written scheme of examination. Your insurers may be able to give you some advice as to whom to approach to get this scheme up and running.

In general a compressor does not need a full pressure test very often. It should have had one when it was new, and you should have the paperwork to show this, and the compressor itself should have markings on it showing its vital statistics (manufacturer, date, safe working pressure etc). Perhaps it doesn't, and perhaps that is why the guy is suggesting a full pressure test?

As part of a written scheme there will be times when the inspector will want the plug taken out so that he can look inside for signs of degradation.

Maintenance and inspection are two very different things in relation to this equipment.
fiesta  
#3 Posted : 02 June 2010 10:14:37(UTC)
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fiesta

Jane,


Thanks for you response.
All the compressors have the required info you stated attached

I've just re-read the relevant bits of HSG39 but it seems mainly aimed at much larger installations and its difficult to pick out the bits that are pertinent to these smaller devices.

Do you know of any other documents or info that is more directed at these smaller devices.

Thanks


Andy
Jane Blunt  
#4 Posted : 02 June 2010 10:30:10(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I use L122 for the pressure system stuff, but this is probably even less help to you.
fiesta  
#5 Posted : 02 June 2010 10:35:15(UTC)
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fiesta

Hi Jane,

Yes, read L122 as well - all very interesting but, as you say, quite in depth.

Thanks anyway
paul.skyrme  
#6 Posted : 02 June 2010 22:19:20(UTC)
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paul.skyrme

Hi,
One of the reasons I don't do pressure systems!
Please check the qualifications of your assessor, IIRC they specify IEng up to a certain size then CEng after.
I am IEng, but still don't even though I have done loads of training and have experience on compressed air & hydraulic systems. I consider myself competent, bar for the fact I don’t have the experience in the inspection side only.
IF I understand correctly your guy is not undertaking this correctly.
I have a few customers that have small portable compressors such as you can purchase in B&Q, which seems to be similar to some you describe.a
IF I get asked about inspections etc. on these I tell them to scrap/sell these off and get some proper ones!
These small compressors are normally supplied via a 230V 13A plug top & a flexible cord.
I would question the use of this in the environment you have as I understand it from your OP also.
IMHO it is not economically justifiable to undertake hydraulic pressure tests on such small systems. Replace them with something more suitable!
Sorry
HTH.
Paul
Twinklemel  
#7 Posted : 03 June 2010 09:06:42(UTC)
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Twinklemel

Fiesta, I think possibly you need to ask someone else. I would suggest contacting your insurers and they can appoint a suitably competent person to carry out statutory inspections for you.
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