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Paul1957  
#1 Posted : 08 June 2010 16:17:06(UTC)
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Paul1957

I have a company who's business is to supply labour to the construction industry. The agent does not employee the workers, he just sources them.

My question is: What are the duties of the agent? He is under the impression that he has no legal responsibility for the workers as they are not 'Employed' by him. Whilst they are on site, does the agent still own the workers a duty of care? I believe he does.

I would appreciate your comments. Thank you.
Steve Sedgwick  
#2 Posted : 08 June 2010 17:07:00(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

Mainly the duty is on the one that manages and supervisors the work, gives instructions and training to the individual, and provides the tools to do the job.

The agent is usually required to provide competent staff ie someone capable of carrying out the tasks. So he would have a duty to make checks to ensure capability. No point sending someone to be a bricky that as never been on a construction site or laid bricks before.

Steve
jay  
#3 Posted : 08 June 2010 17:15:15(UTC)
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jay

Please refer to:-
Agency workers' health and safety on the BusinessLink website.

http://www.businesslink....=www.businesslink.gov.uk
DaveDaniel  
#4 Posted : 08 June 2010 17:37:42(UTC)
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DaveDaniel

Psion: The duties of the HASAWA fall primarily on the EMPLOYER. The traditional tests for employment used by the courts involves looking at the existence of a contract, payment of wages, tax and NIC's. The Agency worker does not have a contract with the client but with the agency, who will also pay wages, tax etc.

This is an area where judicial comment is needed to confirm previous decisions, as it's been muddied by various assertions, but as it stands I am drawn to the conclusion that the Agency is the employer in law, not the client, who would anyway refute such a suggestion. This might be very inconvenient for agencies but nevertheless someone's employing the worker and it's not the client.

Whilst the agency might well delegate the responsibility to carry out risk assessments, provide PPE etc etc. back tot eh client, it cannot delegate accountability for fulfilling this duty and if anything goes wrong they would be in the firing line.

There are many (including government agencies) claiming that supervision etc. establishes "employment" but this is not what the judges say and without re-writing the law, that's what counts. Ask the question "who is the employer?" and look at case law.

Dave
jay  
#5 Posted : 08 June 2010 17:58:59(UTC)
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jay

Also refer to the HSE Webpage on Enforcement under sub-heading, "Status of workers" at:-

http://www.hse.gov.uk/en...igation/status-intro.htm

Specific categories of workers (includes labour only and agency etc)
http://www.hse.gov.uk/en...tion/status-specific.htm

Contract of employment:-
http://www.hse.gov.uk/en...tion/status-contract.htm
Canopener  
#6 Posted : 08 June 2010 18:56:15(UTC)
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Canopener

I fear that the answer is not as straightforward as has been suggested. The test of who pays the tax, NI etc is often seen in ET cases to establish the employer/employee relationship, but I would not takke this as a definitive indicator of the responsibility/accountability for H&S. The answer will take into account numerous factors, and I suggest that one of the more important is who has control over the activities and who is best placed to manage the risks. There is some guidance in the acop to the management regs and there is also other HSE guidance available as well - have a look at the previouly posted links. In many cases there will be a joint responsibility, but the individual circumstances will ultimately determine the answer in each case. We use agency workers on refuse collection rounds, and we essentially have total control of where, when and how they work. I suggest that the HSE and the courts would take the pragmatic view that we would have the bulk of the reposnsibility and accountability. That is not to say that the agency doesn't have any responsibility or that it may not be held ultimately accountable, but I suggest not in many cases, depending on the circumstances.
Steve Sedgwick  
#7 Posted : 08 June 2010 19:34:35(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

Phil, I agree there is no straightforward answer to this, and as you say there are numerous factors. There are so many different employment contract situations.

The useful links that jay has given shows how complex this is.

My earlier post shows the general principle I would apply to this and that seems similar to Phil’s.

The definitive answer would be given by a judge in the event of something going wrong
Steve
Canopener  
#8 Posted : 08 June 2010 20:23:10(UTC)
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Canopener

Readers may find the Recruitment and employment confederation website helpful

http://www.rec.uk.com/home

and in particular this doc

www.rec.uk.com/filegrab/?ref=26

which says something to the effect of what both Steve and me have already suggested, which is that the 'user employer' or client is often best placed to understand and manage the risks associated with the work
Canopener  
#9 Posted : 08 June 2010 20:44:11(UTC)
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Canopener

OMG - I am on a roll, some good stuff her:

http://www.businesslink....44118&type=RESOURCES
http://www.businesslink....244294&r.t=RESOURCES


I f you are a client or 'user' of agency workers, please please don't be 'fooled' into thinking that the agency (who may well be the employer for tax/NI purposes) is going to be held solely acocuntable for 'your' health and safety failings; you could be very disappointed!


Guru  
#10 Posted : 08 June 2010 21:58:20(UTC)
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Guru

There was a paper commissioned by the HSC back in 2006 which provides plenty of relevent answers to questions regarding agency staff, including providing staff for organisations.

www.hse.gov.uk/aboutus/m...e/2006/040706/misc06.pdf

David Bannister  
#11 Posted : 09 June 2010 09:12:18(UTC)
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David Bannister

Whilst the persons in control appear to have the primary responsibility, is it not true that the agency has responsibility to ensure that their employees are not being sent in to danger?

Thus an unscrupulous agency providing workers to a don't care site operator could well find themselves charged in the event of harm.

In the dim & distant I had 3 agency jobs where I was sent in to environments that were i) very dusty (paper), ii) very hot (ceramics factory) and iii) solvent exposures. Each job lasted less than a week because all the workers walked away from them. Nobody was carried away but clearly high risk jobs that nobody wanted (least of all the full time personnel) and the operating organisations were not doing much about health and safety.

This was post-HASAWA but only just!
RayRapp  
#12 Posted : 10 June 2010 08:26:37(UTC)
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RayRapp

I believe the conundrum can be defined by virtue that HSWA was designed to ensure a) someone is responsible and b) a joint liability could arise. The question of agency workers has been raised before and of course it is normally the employer who is the duty holder. Notwithstanding HSWA identifies employees, self-employed and those affected by an undertaking ie third parties. There is no getting away from liability and it is non-transferable.

Agencies are normally deemed the 'employer' for health and safety purposes and therefore they need to ensure the health, safety and welfare of those they engage. There are exceptions, such as people who are self-employed via a limited company and so on. In order to avoid any complications I suggest taking an holistic approach where the Agency and Client agree terms and conditions which should include such matters as PPE, working hours, breaks etc. After all, we are talking about the good health of human beings here.
Paul1957  
#13 Posted : 10 June 2010 10:37:38(UTC)
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Paul1957

Thanks to each and everyone for the replies. It is an interesting question to say the least. Your words of wisdom are most welcome.
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