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Chapman900465  
#1 Posted : 07 June 2010 17:52:49(UTC)
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Chapman900465

Does anyone have any thoughts on how i could document and achieve this both in a policy and procedure and risk assessment format. The environment is in heavy engineering within a controlled factory type environment with no previous head injuries
Clairel  
#2 Posted : 07 June 2010 19:17:33(UTC)
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Clairel

Not sure I understand you there. If there is a risk of head injury then it will be identified in your risk assessment. If there is no risk of injury then that will identified too. Sorry, I don't understand your problem.
Steve Sedgwick  
#3 Posted : 07 June 2010 19:35:31(UTC)
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Steve Sedgwick

As Claire states. If there are no significant risks of someone being struck on the head that could cause injury then a helmet may not be required. In a Heavy Engineering, factory environment I would guess there are number of significant risks where a safety helmet is required. Product and supplies lifted above head height, any work above, possibility of material being worked being ejected, crane and lifting operations etc etc Why do you not want to wear safety helmet? Steve PS I recall investigating a serious head injury to a man cutting / burning some coiled scrap, as he cut through it it released some stored energy in the steel that caused it to whip and strike him on the head. Fortunately he was wearing a helmet at the time, this saved his life.
Canopener  
#4 Posted : 07 June 2010 21:45:45(UTC)
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Canopener

It does seem a rather odd way to approach it!
Guru  
#5 Posted : 07 June 2010 22:25:40(UTC)
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Guru

As the previous posters have suggested, if there is forseeable risk of head injuries then they must be worn. I'm sure the head protection regulations made comment about there not being any need to have such protection if the only risk was falling over. Anyway, trying to read between the lines here, is head protection being suggested and you have been tasked with finding a way not to have it implemented? I'd be careful not to jump on a management bandwagon in not implementing such a control, just because there has never been head injuries, I faced similar resistance from removing FLT's from certain areas of the factory, getting "never had any accidents till now" arguement. End of the day, there was forseeable risk of injuries and we had to do something about it. Dont be a politician, be a safety practitioner.
PhilBeale  
#6 Posted : 08 June 2010 17:36:31(UTC)
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PhilBeale

I guess you need to know why the decision was taken to make it mandatory to wear hard hats in the first place. IF these risks have been removed then i see no reason why you can't remove the need for hard hats. if there are job specific task that might have the need then right that into the procedure. What are the likely things that are going to fall from height to cause a head injury. Ultimately a light fitting could fall down in an office but it's not likely so we don't require office workers to wear hard hats. You need to look at what is reasonable foreseeable to cause this type of injury. It might be that the warehouse id identified as an area where an item might fall of a pallet at high level so there would be a need. i guess it your risk assessment to it's down to you to make the decision but you would need good justification for removing a safety measure especially if things should go pear shaped. Phil
Adrian Watson  
#7 Posted : 13 June 2010 13:12:41(UTC)
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Adrian Watson

Dear Chapman, Start off on the assumption that they are needed to assure the health and safety of workers, then identify what situations (activities, environmental and person factors) would give rise to a risk of head injuries. Once you have done that show that those factors do not exist; if they do then head protection is required. The type of event producing the risk of injury will determine the type of hed protection to be used. Regards Adrian
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 13 June 2010 16:26:24(UTC)
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firesafety101

I know from personal experience: 1. HSE inspectors agree that if working on a roof hard hats are not required as there is nothing that can fall from above (except airplanes and bird poo but that's just a rare occurrence and acceptable risk to HSE). 2. If workers are instructed to wear head protection for specific tasks and/or in certain areas, they tend to forget to wear the head protection in other areas they have to pass through to get to their workplace. It is usually a mandatory instruction to wear head protection to make life easier for supervisors foremen etc.
DavidWarby  
#9 Posted : 14 June 2010 01:55:37(UTC)
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DavidWarby

ChrisBurns raises the main issue I have run across on sites where hardhats were required only in some areas (or where they were excluded in certain areas) - people forget to put the hardhat back on when leaving the exclusion zone or forget to take it with them to the area where it has been determined they are required. That being said, I have in certain situations allowed my workers to remove hardhats when working in tight confines where it was impractical to wear a hardhat or when working on roofs where there was a greater risk of the hardhat being blown away than there was of anything striking the worker... It all comes down to risk assessment - but you have to watch closely and regularly reinforce whatever you decide upon to ensure that people do not become complacent. My 2c -Dave
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#10 Posted : 14 June 2010 08:45:29(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Referring back to the original question, this is another example of 'how can I write a policy and procedure and risk assessment document to "prove" hard hats are unnecessary'. That way of thinking disturbs me. Write all the policies you want, and make whatever rules you want to. Within limits, it can be a completely arbitrary process. But the question also seeks help in 'writing a risk assessment to prove.....a pre-determined outcome'. That is fundamentally wrong. Run the risk assessment, then consider the outcome. Do not decide upon the outcome and then write a pseudo-risk assessment to fit your outcome of choice.
wizzpete  
#11 Posted : 14 June 2010 11:39:04(UTC)
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wizzpete

Ian.Blenkharn wrote:
Referring back to the original question, this is another example of 'how can I write a policy and procedure and risk assessment document to "prove" hard hats are unnecessary'. That way of thinking disturbs me. Write all the policies you want, and make whatever rules you want to. Within limits, it can be a completely arbitrary process. But the question also seeks help in 'writing a risk assessment to prove.....a pre-determined outcome'. That is fundamentally wrong. Run the risk assessment, then consider the outcome. Do not decide upon the outcome and then write a pseudo-risk assessment to fit your outcome of choice.
I agree with Ian - your Risk Assessment must be the overriding factor on any decision you make. Bearing in mind your duty to ensure risks identified are then ALARP, this should point to the need for Hard Hats or not.
Captain Scarlet  
#12 Posted : 14 June 2010 15:39:01(UTC)
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Captain Scarlet

Chapman900465 wrote:
Does anyone have any thoughts on how i could document and achieve this both in a policy and procedure and risk assessment format. The environment is in heavy engineering within a controlled factory type environment with no previous head injuries
Sounds to me like you are looking for a few pieces of paper that have gone through the correct H&S motions to fall back on in the event that someone does clonk their swede and at the same time appease a workforce that does not want to wear hard hats anyway. Try "bump caps", a lighter solution if bashing their heads is the most likely injury.
Mohammed Al Nakib  
#13 Posted : 14 June 2010 16:45:49(UTC)
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Mohammed Al Nakib

In addition to all the above, the colour code of the helmets help to identify supervisors, HSE, visitors and workers within busy sites, this can be significant during an emergency. Regards
Solomon  
#14 Posted : 15 June 2010 11:22:52(UTC)
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Solomon

Chapman, The answer to your question is a very simple one in theory, if as other commentators have stated your risk assessment shows the need for head protection, then to prove that you do not have wear them............eliminate the risk! I think everyone who has responded are of the same opinion here, you are trying to fit a pre-conceived outcome from a recognised risk without running the system correctly....not a wise move.
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