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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 15 June 2010 21:59:34(UTC)
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firesafety101

I'm starting a website for myself, to advertise my business as a self employed health and fire safety consultant. I would like to copy some safety information i.e. HSE bulletins, IOSH comments and the like, maybe a few photos. I just wonder how far I can go without upsetting somebody's copyright? How much of this type of information is really public domain?
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 15 June 2010 22:20:18(UTC)
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RayRapp

Chris I face a similar conundrum with my website which I created some months back. I believe the HSE information is not protected by copyright but not sure about many others. I also contacted a former university about their documentation and received a curt negative response. I suspect that photos freely available on the net are not a problem but other material...not sure. So, I decided that all articles on my site would be bespoke articleswritten by me and not copied and pasted, thus trying to avoid palgiarism and copyright. Hence I have given myself quite a task - roll on winter. Ray
Jane Blunt  
#3 Posted : 16 June 2010 07:27:18(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

You need to read the 'small print' on the sites - it is usually at the bottom under something like 'terms of use'. For some sites (e.g. government sites) you can get a licence free of charge, but there are often strings attached, depending on what you intend to use the material for. If in doubt, just ask.
grim72  
#4 Posted : 16 June 2010 08:09:22(UTC)
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grim72

You can get a 'Click-Use License' from the HSE which allows you to use their info but you must link back to the relevant article. You can find it somewhere on the HSE website (I can't remember where).
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#5 Posted : 16 June 2010 09:06:11(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

Don't think that becuase you can see or download some material from the web that it is yours to use as you wish. It may well be copyright material. Assume it is, unless you know categorically that it is not. There is nothing on my website that is not my own, except for a very few items which are displayed as embedded links. That way, you display what is displayed elsewhere, and make certain that you are always fully up to date. It is a web technique that you must learn. I wouldn't linger at a site that was filled with a collection of other peoples work. That is what Google is for, and from Google you will get the full and up-to-date picture!
Heather Collins  
#6 Posted : 16 June 2010 09:17:04(UTC)
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Heather Collins

HSE are very clear about how and where their material may be used Chris. I think you will find that you will not be able to reproduce material from their site without permission as it is for a commercial purpose. http://www.hse.gov.uk/copyright.htm Regarding pictures. Just because they are available on the web most certainly does not mean they have no copyright. In fact most pictures you see on the web do have copyright associated with them. Linking to other sites is a very useful way of helping people to find information but check that the site in question does allow linking - some don't. HSE in particular has specific rules about using its logo as a link.
firesafety101  
#7 Posted : 16 June 2010 10:03:15(UTC)
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firesafety101

I contacted the HSE Info line this morning, their advice is as follows: You can use information copied from their website as long as you credit/acknowledge the origin, i.e. source HSE.gov.uk/ If you edit anything you use from their website mention that it has been amended, It is desirable to provide a link to the origin of the information. You cannot use their logo.
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 16 June 2010 10:05:28(UTC)
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firesafety101

I also contacted IOSH to ask the same question and was put through to an answer machine that told me he was away from the office until Wednesday 2nd June. ??? :-(
Heather Collins  
#9 Posted : 16 June 2010 10:19:27(UTC)
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Heather Collins

IOSH has fairly clear guidelines here http://www.iosh.co.uk/terms_of_use.aspx#Copyright Like the HSE site it appears to allow use for "research, private study or internal circulation" subject to certain conditions of acknowledgement but does not give permission for commercial use nor for free use of the logo. I'm surprised at the advice from the HSE Infoline Chris because that's not what their website says. It says that any use outside the three stated above would require the Click-use licence that Grim mentioned above. Still I'm sure they know best! ;-)
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#10 Posted : 16 June 2010 10:38:35(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

I expect they do know, but if they get only part of the explanation and their answer is interpreted as the questionner would want it, then the outcome will be an unhappy one. I would urge anyone who might think to follow ChrisBurns advice on this matter to think carefully, and check with HSE.
firesafety101  
#11 Posted : 16 June 2010 11:12:12(UTC)
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firesafety101

Well all righty then. Where do I go for the correct answer, surely the HSE info line is that place or do I now think they are a waste of time and do not give the correct advice? What's the point of an info line if it can't be trusted? Are the HSE aware that they are giving unreliable information on their own info line????????? I have the name of the lady I spoke to and a record of the date and time, they say some calls may be recorded, if that is the case Ii should be able to accept the advice without worry! Further, surely the HSE would be happy to know that someone like me is spreading their message through another website as long as I acknowledge it came from them in the first place?
firesafety101  
#12 Posted : 16 June 2010 11:13:51(UTC)
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firesafety101

Heather Collins wrote:
IOSH has fairly clear guidelines here http://www.iosh.co.uk/terms_of_use.aspx#Copyright Like the HSE site it appears to allow use for "research, private study or internal circulation" subject to certain conditions of acknowledgement but does not give permission for commercial use nor for free use of the logo. I'm surprised at the advice from the HSE Infoline Chris because that's not what their website says. It says that any use outside the three stated above would require the Click-use licence that Grim mentioned above. Still I'm sure they know best! ;-)
I think this link is more about protecting our information that we send to IOSH as opposed to that if IOSH.
firesafety101  
#13 Posted : 16 June 2010 11:18:06(UTC)
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firesafety101

I have just sent a message to IOSH re their contact us page, I'll let you all know when I receive a reply and what they say. Thanks so far.
Nick House  
#14 Posted : 16 June 2010 12:00:31(UTC)
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Why not use an RSS feed to sites such as IOSH and HSE? To save you time in writing your own articles from scratch, why not try something like Article Writer Pro? Try googling it and you should come up with the website. The guy's name is Andy Black. I've used this software on a couple of websites I used to run and found it exceptionally good. Once you are up to speed, you can then write additional articles in your own time/ way, but to kick start your site, software like that above can often be incredibly helpful. Also, have you thought about SEO?
Heather Collins  
#15 Posted : 16 June 2010 12:16:01(UTC)
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Heather Collins

ChrisBurns wrote:
Heather Collins wrote:
IOSH has fairly clear guidelines here http://www.iosh.co.uk/terms_of_use.aspx#Copyright
I think this link is more about protecting our information that we send to IOSH as opposed to that if IOSH.
No it isn't Chris. Read the whole page especially paras 15-18.
firesafety101  
#16 Posted : 16 June 2010 12:21:18(UTC)
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firesafety101

Thanks Heather - a bit heavy that so I'll forget about the IOSH stuff. Nick - thanks for that - I just wonder how many different ways there can be to write the same message? The link is to a US site so I think the grammar will be different to our version of the English language ?
JohnW  
#17 Posted : 16 June 2010 14:55:03(UTC)
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JohnW

Chris, Like Ray I rewite, mainly in my own pwrds, reports/bulletins before putting them on my website newsletter page. They are usually extracted from bulletins already published on SHP, and other publications. If the subject is accidents/prosecutions I usually retain the name of the employer but I always edit out, never mention, the name of an injured or deceased employee. John W
Nick House  
#18 Posted : 16 June 2010 17:27:04(UTC)
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Chris, I'm sure the software I used was UK orientated, but can't be sure now as it's been about a year since I used it so do stand to be corrected. I also think it is subscription based now, but again, not sure, as I have free membership (if I could remember what the password was...) as I started using it when it was a beta version, prior to launch. Then again, once the software has generated your 400 or so word article, then it wouldn't be that difficult to proof it, amending any differences in grammar. You'd be surprised how much an article can be changed to provide 'original content', which is what search engines look for. Too much copying and pasting of other peoples articles can eventually lead to your website being suppressed in search results (unless you pay for search engine sponsorship...)
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