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Wintle28839  
#1 Posted : 16 June 2010 12:13:38(UTC)
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Wintle28839

Can any one help with AFRs, I have found several formulas but wanted to know what a standard formula might be, the HSE formula does seem to be used by some people but not as a standard. (Number of accidents x 100000/no of hours worked) Also does any know what the rate equates to? Our AFR came out at 24.38 using the HSE formula but what is the 24.28 as a frequency? One last question, does any one know how to find any data to compare AFR against other in an industry. David
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 16 June 2010 12:31:20(UTC)
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firesafety101

I need someone to explain what use is AFR's? I used to do AFR's for previous employers I worked for but it did no good at all. The only way to get accidents down is to investigate and report every one and reach a conclusion that helps to avoid similar events in future. If necessary advertise the actual accidents and their investigation results. One ex employer was a transport company that used to allow rail signals passed at red (SPADs). I just could not understand how any red signals passed could be acceptable at all. Statistics can be manipulated any way you want - usually to the benefit of management?
Terry556  
#3 Posted : 16 June 2010 12:43:23(UTC)
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Terry556

I use AFR's as I have to report to the group on a monthly basis, I use the formula No of loss day cases X200,000 Divided by the total hours worked in the month. All accidents get investigated and corrective actions put in place, We have one of the lowest accident rates in the group
Murphy18748  
#4 Posted : 16 June 2010 13:08:23(UTC)
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Murphy18748

Is this AFR as simple as the number of accidents per 100,000hrs worked? Therefore you are having 24+ accidents per 100,000hrs worked. To me, that seems awfully high - of course my theory could be wrong or your calculation could be suspect. Do you use every accident book entry or just RIDDOR?
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 16 June 2010 13:21:38(UTC)
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firesafety101

See what I mean
jay  
#6 Posted : 16 June 2010 15:10:12(UTC)
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jay

There is no fixed/standard frequency rate comparator. The key factor is that you use the same comparator as the benchmark data you are comparing with. Internally, many organisations use 200,000 hours, but you will have to adjust it if you want to compare it with data/stats that uses a different comparator.
MaxPayne  
#7 Posted : 16 June 2010 15:22:06(UTC)
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MaxPayne

Never used AFRs myself and this is an interesting thread; however if the objective is to reduce the number shouldn't the effort be in understand how and why they occur rather than number crunching? Agree that you need to know the size of the problem as a benchmark, but isn't it easier to just group the accidents, notifiable, major, minor, etc and then concentrate on reduction?
goose  
#8 Posted : 16 June 2010 15:31:54(UTC)
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As has already been said based on your calculation you are having 24.38 accidents for every 100,000 hours worked. You can use any multiplication factor you want but to compare year on year or with another site or employer you would need to use the same multiplication factor. Goose.
Captain Scarlet  
#9 Posted : 16 June 2010 15:34:35(UTC)
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Captain Scarlet

Jay: All of the companies adhereing to OGP Guidelines use the following equation: No. of injuries / hours worked X 1000000 So, assuming that the operation had 300 men who worked 12 hours per day for 365 days = 1,314,000 (which is not far from actual figures), there were 3 injuries throughout the reporting period, the AFR or LTIR would be 2.28. This is an industry standard calculation, and keeps everyone on an even keel. I would assume that there is a standard reporting process in your industry, so if your figures are high, and you have a good record, then most of your competitors would be high too. BTW, although we submit our figures, they are mainly used for target and goal setting to better our LTIR performace. We use the same calculation for automotive acidents / actual KM's driven X 1000000KM's driven, and Environment spill rate / actual diesel and oil used X 1000000 litres (oil and diesel) used. Hope this helps you understand, and how other industries report.
Captain Scarlet  
#10 Posted : 16 June 2010 15:40:31(UTC)
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Captain Scarlet

MaxPayne wrote:
Never used AFRs myself and this is an interesting thread; however if the objective is to reduce the number shouldn't the effort be in understand how and why they occur rather than number crunching? Agree that you need to know the size of the problem as a benchmark, but isn't it easier to just group the accidents, notifiable, major, minor, etc and then concentrate on reduction?
MaxP: At first it looks like number crunching, and clients do look directly at the end figure, but if you have been tracking this number for a while (4-5 years), a client can see if you are improving or just going through the motions, or if your business is trying but other factors are in play. The next step is how can you reduce the figure, more training, better communication, etc etc etc.
imwaldra  
#11 Posted : 16 June 2010 22:15:46(UTC)
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imwaldra

One of the problems in this area is that it is nearly all OSH people talking to themselves, as no one in line management has a clue what these numbers mean - mainly because very few organisations today count actual worked hours, whereas when these numbers began most workers were in factories and clocked on and off. HSE stopped publishing data based on hours years ago - their typical annual injury rates are quoted per 100,000 full-time employees. That's possibly of some use for national statistics, but very few organisations have these sorts of numbers. However, the good thing is that most of the resulting numbers are in the high 100s or low 1000s - so you can just divide by 1000 and get the rate per 100 employees. Most line managers, etc. can visualise what an organisation of 100 people is like, and an injury rate around 1.0 is typical (remember HSE only get told about injuries resulting in lost time or worse, so don't confuse it with an in-house rate based on more minor injuries, which you should also be counting). The best organisations have LTI rates much lower than 1 per 100 per year. The other good thing about using rate per hundred people is that they work about 200,000 hours per year. Typical US injury rates are calculated per 200,000 hours, so you can also compare with anything you find from a US-based company, including their listed rates for less serious injuries (OSHA regulations require employers to count other types and report these annually as well). Traditionally UK injury rates were/are calculated per 100,000 hours, which is roughly what someone works in a lifetime (50 years x 2000 hours). Hope all this helps. IOSH recommends using the rate per 100 people, so it means something to non-specials as well as allowing benchmarking.
PJG  
#12 Posted : 17 June 2010 01:33:45(UTC)
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PJG

We KPI the following stats: Accident Incident Rate. (Employees) RIDDORs X 100 divided by No. of employees Accident Frequency Rate. (Hours) RIDDORs X 100000 divided by No. of total hours worked Accident Frequency Rate. (Vehicles) Vehicle Incidents X 100000 divided by No. of total miles/kilometres Accident Severity Rate. No of days lost divided by number of lost time accidents Purely for benchmarking as a company, site by site (20+ sites), against our industry as a whole, and against HSE national rates. It does give you something tangible and tracks performance.
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