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prads  
#1 Posted : 22 June 2010 13:01:35(UTC)
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prads

If we have a fatality at workplace, how do we establish no of days lost to calculate severity rates? Any help? Regards, Prads
RayRapp  
#2 Posted : 22 June 2010 15:07:25(UTC)
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RayRapp

Err...I would have thought that would be the last of your worries, unless it is a theoretical question. I suggest you ask the HSE, but please do post their reply...
prads  
#3 Posted : 23 June 2010 07:48:42(UTC)
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prads

I cant ask HSE as I am based in the middle east. I have raised this question coz, one of our contractor had 3 fatalities this year. But their statistics on Severity Rate is only taking into consideration the lost days due to the LTIs/MTCs. Rgds, Prads
Jane Blunt  
#4 Posted : 23 June 2010 07:57:12(UTC)
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Jane Blunt

I suggest that the method of gathering statistics is at fault. I don't think you can honestly put in a notional figure into the Severity rate for a fatality. The statistics gathering process should have a separate 'box' for number of fatalities for it to be meaningful.
Barrie(Badger)Etter  
#5 Posted : 23 June 2010 08:35:59(UTC)
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Barrie(Badger)Etter

Prads Whilst totally agreeing with Jane I think there may be a way if laterally thinking in method is used through probability. In probability a total certainty is 1 and the rest a decimal up to 1. So a death would = 1, disability =0.8, three day injury = 0.6, blood drawn but not three dayer = 0.4 and a near miss and no injuy = 0.2. Of course there will be variations and this is where a study of working with probability calculation may help you. Now having put keyboard into print I'm sure others may wish to offer variations on what to score and how. Badger
bleve  
#6 Posted : 23 June 2010 09:00:18(UTC)
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bleve

I would suggest that your Severity Rate is your accident or incident severity rate. You should measure your three fatalities as Fatal Accident Frequency Rate (FAFR) Fatality Rate (FR) FAFR No. of fatalities / No. hours worked *100,000,000 FR No. of fatalities / No. of employees * 1,000
Andy Petrie  
#7 Posted : 23 June 2010 09:05:28(UTC)
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Andy Petrie

We use a Fatality and Weighted Injury Rate based on the UK RSSB Classifications (Railway Safety & Standards Board). 1 Fatality = 10 Major Injuries (RIDDOR Major) = 200 Reportable Minor (RIDDOR non-major) = 1000 non-reportable minor (i.e. non RIDDOR) We therefor report on FWI rate, like a traditional AFR but every 1,000,000 man hours where: Fatality = 1 Major = 0.1 Reportable Minor = 0.005 Non-reportable Minor = 0.001 It gives a much more representative figure and Fatalities and Major injuries really stand out as being significantly greater than an LTI.
prads  
#8 Posted : 24 June 2010 06:27:39(UTC)
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prads

Thanks everyone! If I need to follow Barrie & Andy, does it mean that if I have 3 fatalities & 6 LTIs. Fatalities :- 1x3 =3 >LTI : 0.8 x 6 = 4.8 Total = 7.8 AFR = 7.8 x 1,00,00,00/ Total Manhours SR = 7.8 x 1000/ Average No of Employees OR Fatalities:- 1 x 3 = 3 >LTI: 0.1 x 6 = 0.6 Total = 3.6 and accordingly AFR and SR to be calculated. Please correct me, if I got it wrong. Regards, Prads
prads  
#9 Posted : 24 June 2010 06:29:48(UTC)
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prads

Sorry, if I follow Andy, then:- 1 fatality = 10 Major injuries, i.e 3x 10 Total 30 +0.6 = 30.6 ???
Andy Petrie  
#10 Posted : 24 June 2010 10:39:29(UTC)
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Andy Petrie

FWI Rate = ((Fat x 1) + (Maj x 0.1) + (Min Rep x 0.005) + (Min non rep x 0.001)) / hours worked x 1,000,000 From your example if you have s fatalities and 6 LTIs (assume RIDDOR reportable minor) and you've worked 1,000,000 hours then you would have FWIR = (3 x 1) + (6 x 0.005) = 3.03 This is a very high rate and you'd want to set a target much lower than this say 0.1
Canopener  
#11 Posted : 24 June 2010 13:08:28(UTC)
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Canopener

I have never put a great deal of store in all of these sort of statistics. It has always seemed to me that they are merely statisitics for the sake of, well statistics; mind you the auditors love them! They almost all deal with the outcome (which I accept is to many the bottom line) and does nothing to identify or deal with causation etc. Also seems to me that there is often a comparison between apples and pears i.e. often a meaningless comparision. I have had >3 day injuries that I regard being more significant to some major injuries that I have reported but the figures would not necessarily identify that or bear it out. Just going to get my helmet and wait for the flak. Me? I like Ray response. I too would be intersted to hear the HSE response LOL
Captain Scarlet  
#12 Posted : 24 June 2010 13:11:54(UTC)
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Captain Scarlet

prads wrote:
I cant ask HSE as I am based in the middle east. I have raised this question coz, one of our contractor had 3 fatalities this year. But their statistics on Severity Rate is only taking into consideration the lost days due to the LTIs/MTCs. Rgds, Prads
Prads If you are working to OGP guidelines, then a "Catastrphic" event would automatically set off the alarms, so you would interview your subcontractor accordingly, and investigate their actions / follow up, then look at the LTIR / AAR seperately, I would guess though it is quite high with all of those fatalities. You working for "The Base" then or what?
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