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messyshaw  
#1 Posted : 27 June 2010 10:28:14(UTC)
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messyshaw

The RR(FS)O 2005 - Article 21 (2) (b) states that employees (fire) training should be: "be repeated periodically where appropriate;" Sounds reasonable, as I assume that most of us would accept the need for regular staff training. It's the 'where appropriate' part that baffles me. I have been scratching my head to determine a situation where it would not be 'appropriate' to repeat staff fire training - ie, not to provide regular fire training. Of course the frequency & content of the training depends entirely on the circumstances present, but can anyone think of a situation where 'repeat' staff training would not be 'appropriate'????
Guru  
#2 Posted : 27 June 2010 12:09:10(UTC)
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Guru

Reading it, I dont think its suggesting not to provide regular fire training, only, dependant of the fire risks associated with a particular site, or job role, it may be appropriate to have more regular training than say a very low fire risk site. Im not an expert on fire, but I wouldnt get so hung up about it. Train your staff, then repeat at a reasonable time.
messyshaw  
#3 Posted : 27 June 2010 17:44:39(UTC)
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messyshaw

Guru. I take your point entirely and totally agree. But I am about to have to deal with an employer whose fire policy is to cover fire on staff induction training - and thats it. No more staff training (other than an evac drill)ever again. This is a significant employer in terms of numbers of staff and have staff who have been in place 30 - 40 years! I am trying to cover all eventualities when recommending & negotiating a change of policy (ie to introduce periodic training) as it's going to cost them plenty!!
bleve  
#4 Posted : 27 June 2010 19:11:10(UTC)
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bleve

The frequency of refresher training should be based on the type size and frequency of fire within the premises also taking account the fire history of the premises As you know frequency of training would be greater for an undertaking processing HFL versus the manufacturer of concrete products
PhilBeale  
#5 Posted : 29 June 2010 16:25:18(UTC)
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PhilBeale

I can't see how showing a 20 minute DVD and a few powerpoint slides once a year could be seen to cause a problem or difficulty in the running of the company. i think it would be you to recommend what is required and if the RP wants to go away from that then it's their head on the chopping block. If they are not willing to give 20 minutes to fire safety training what other H&S training are they not providing. maybe a few court cases where companies have been sued for lack of training. the most recent is the brick works where a guy was crushed to death due to lack of training and supervision £280K might make them change there mind. phil
imwaldra  
#6 Posted : 29 June 2010 19:05:52(UTC)
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imwaldra

In an ideal world you would check the training has been effective via some sort of assessment, i.e. answering randomised questions or otherwise demonstrating that it has been understood. If you repeat that assessment at intervals and an individual is still able to demonstrate competence, why would they need any 'refresher training'? This could be a way to show that OSH professionals are aligned to business needs and appreciate the need to remove non-added value activities where possible? Occasional practice evacuations typically come under this category - we don't insist that everyone goes through the explanation that a new start should receive from their supervisor, we just let them demonstrate that they know what to do (or not, as shown by the results!).
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