It is interesting to see that while IOSH will not allow job adverts to be put on its web site, other Professional Chartered Institutes take a different view. See http://www.ciwm.co.uk/pm/97 or http://www.iema.net/jobs and these are not restricted to the members area. My understanding is that we as a profession should be actively looking to attract people into the industry. One way of achieving this is to let people see that Health & Safety does offer a lot of career opportunities for the right people-particularly those who are well qualified.

MartinW, I think dsb means (correct me if I'm wrong) that the bodies in question allow job adverts on thier website / forums in the manner that IOSH used to. However due to the link up between SHP and IOSH this is not allowed, I did pursue this (as did other members), but were not given any good reasons citing commercial confidentiality and a rather bombastic 'this is what we are doing'. Frankly I found the attitude quite appaling and in very stark contrast to other professional bodies who at this time of economic hardship seem to be trying very hard to help members gain empoyment. One particular point that I found very sad is that there have been members here who have advertised for 'trainee', 'apprentice' and other entry level type roles that normally just would not be commercially viable to pay to advertise are not allowed here any more - hardly helpful or encouraging to those considering a career in the profession. The other thing about this ban on such positions is that they are not a threat to SHP's revenue stream so why have they been banned? Is this due to the contract between IOSH and SHP stipulating that ALL advertising is banned from the forum. Or, a rather heavy handed approach on the part of IOSH. Either it does somewhat fly in the face of promoting members interests or looking after it's membership. The last I heard was that IOSH had no plans to reveiw this decision at a later date.

I not sure as to the actual point here. Both IEMA and CIWM do put adverts on their website. But these are commercial adverts which both institutes gain revenue from? The fact that IOSH does not have commercial advertisements for jobs on its website but SHP online does seems perfectly reasonable, having looked at both IEMA and CIWM. This is how these institutes gain some of their revenue. I think the distinction here is for IOSH to find away for SME’s/ individuals to be able to voice employment opportunities. Its worth noting that neither of the other two institutes do this, nor do they have a public discussion forum in the same format as IOSH.

Nigel and freelance safety as per part of my previous post: "One particular point that I found very sad is that there have been members here who have advertised for 'trainee', 'apprentice' and other entry level type roles that normally just would not be commercially viable to pay to advertise are not allowed here any more - hardly helpful or encouraging to those considering a career in the profession. The other thing about this ban on such positions is that they are not a threat to SHP's revenue stream so why have they been banned?" There are forum regulars who have posted jobs in the above criteria that, by thier own admission were not commercially viable to post and that the person coming in would not be generating a fee, however, it did give them a chance to employ and help grow newcomers. Yet even these jobs are not allowed under the forum rules. Does that help explain? Regards Brett

Brett Day SP, I understand exactly what you are trying to say and have even made a comment in the last paragraph of my previous posting. The problem previously was agencies and others who make a living from placements were using of forum to get candidates. These were people who made no contribution to the forum, they just saw it as an easy way of making money. As I’ve previously stated I think the distinction here is for IOSH to find away for SME’s/ individuals to be able to voice employment opportunities with little or no cost. This of course can be done however, forum rules mean that they are then blocked. This does not prevent anyone sending that candidate a direct PM? Its not perfect , but it’s better than anything other forums/institutes offer. In terms of spam, you need to get a better filter on you computer or re-program your settings. If your unsure what to do or cannot afford some of the ridiculously expensive (IMO) software then go and check out police geeks.com. I’m a member of this not for profit voluntary group. Its basically lots of IT experts and others (Like Me) who help others and each other with IT issues, including obtaining free legal anti-spam software, try it out - I might even send you a message on that forum!