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Roysta  
#1 Posted : 12 July 2010 16:00:06(UTC)
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Roysta

My company engages 40+ contractors to carry out a range of tasks including working at height, electrical, fire alarms, ground works, construction, painting etc. Can anyone tell me what insurances I need to be asking for?
Murray18822  
#2 Posted : 12 July 2010 16:16:20(UTC)
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Murray18822

We generally ask for details of Public Liability and Employer's Liability. Without the Public Liability Insurance you're on a sticky wicket in the event a contractor causes problems, e.g. an accident
Roysta  
#3 Posted : 12 July 2010 16:35:40(UTC)
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Roysta

Thanks Murray, we ask for these currently so that's fine. I just wanted to reassure myself there wasn't something else I needed. Ta
David Bannister  
#4 Posted : 12 July 2010 17:12:18(UTC)
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David Bannister

Check also the amount of maximum cover available and match that up to the potential for damage. Simple ground works may not need as high an indemnity amount as someone who is doing major demolition/construction works. If they're working at height above your production machinery, what damage will the dropped spanner in the works do? For anyone offering professional advice then Professional Indemnity cover should be verified.
Phil Grace  
#5 Posted : 12 July 2010 18:06:23(UTC)
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Phil Grace

Roysta, All info offered so far is spot on. One other thing that you might consider asking is whether there are any restrictive terms or conditionson their Public Liability policy. Sort of thing that I am thinking of is to do with their use of heat. If they breached a condition then their insurer might seek to void the policy and not pay the claim. Unlikely but has been known. Phil
stevie40  
#6 Posted : 12 July 2010 20:38:05(UTC)
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stevie40

Phil Grace wrote:
Roysta, All info offered so far is spot on. One other thing that you might consider asking is whether there are any restrictive terms or conditionson their Public Liability policy. Sort of thing that I am thinking of is to do with their use of heat. If they breached a condition then their insurer might seek to void the policy and not pay the claim. Unlikely but has been known. Phil
It is very common in fact. All contractors using naked flame or hot processes (bitumen tar boilers, welders, brazing etc) will have a Burning and Welding condition on the public liability section of their policy. In the event of a loss relating to use of heat, the insurers will first check to ensure the condition has been complied with. The conditions will normally stipulate:- - FEA or charged water hose available. - Work area is cleared of combustible materials for radius of 10m, including the other side of walls where sparks may be carried via penetrating services. Non combustible welding drapes used to protect combustible items that cannot be removed. - A fire watch is maintained during the work and for one hour afterwards. A good hot work permit system will ensure a contractor abides by their policy conditions and also allows the building controller to agree the scope of the work and who will maintain the fire watch. Other clauses that contractors policies can carry include:- - Height limit. - Depth limit. - Exclusion of demolition unless small ancillary structures. - Exclusion of demolition via single drop, explosive or ball and chain (rare) methods. - BFSC clause. This states that a contractor has to ensure all their BFSC's hold PL cover. Some will even stipulate the security rating (Standard + Poor / Moodys) rating that the insurer must meet or exceed. Most insurers with one notable exception in Ireland will meet this stipulation.
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 13 July 2010 07:36:45(UTC)
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bob youel

read the policies in depth if you have doubt One policy that I read had an exclusion for people [yes people - and this comment is true!] - whereby the insurance covered the company concerned against damage etc to animals but not people! Even the policy holder was supprised but soon realised why his premiums were low
Phil Grace  
#8 Posted : 13 July 2010 09:43:58(UTC)
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Phil Grace

Re Stevie40's comment on my post - Just to clarify since I obviously did not make it clear. The existence of hot work conditions is standard what happens less frequently is an insurer deciding to void a policy. Despite much media comment to the contrary attempting to avoid paying a claim is something that insurers approach very carefully, after much thought and relatively rarely. Phil
stevie40  
#9 Posted : 13 July 2010 09:53:12(UTC)
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stevie40

Phil Grace wrote:
Re Stevie40's comment on my post - Just to clarify since I obviously did not make it clear. The existence of hot work conditions is standard what happens less frequently is an insurer deciding to void a policy. Despite much media comment to the contrary attempting to avoid paying a claim is something that insurers approach very carefully, after much thought and relatively rarely. Phil
Agreed that it is not something we take lightly. I did however stop short of citing some cases where we had done this because the firm I work for is a major insurer for contractors and I'm their only surveyor involved in H&S matters. A couple of general pointers though. After a fire, the investigators appointed by the insurers may inspect the FEA that was available. If defective, the hot works condition would be breached and no pay out. Welding in service ducts would require protection of the cables (particularly fibre optic) and these would be regarded as combustible.
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