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eunos  
#1 Posted : 12 July 2010 15:59:59(UTC)
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eunos

Our company is considering the introduction of an internet based integrated management system called 'Entropy', and I wondered if there was anyone out there who had experience with this or a similar product? If anyone has, I would really appreciate your opinion. Thanks
Paul Parry  
#2 Posted : 12 July 2010 22:22:29(UTC)
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Paul Parry

Yes, here at cambridge city council we use an intranet based system with webpages etc but adding accident reporting linked to the HR system etc etc.. Its a bit pecemeal but it works and getting better. I have used a similar system to "Enropy" but the company folded and in one stroke we lost all data going back 12 years. A replacement company then lost 8 months data....agh...... so we dropped it and used a stand alone package hosted on our own system but this also has problems if you want additions or changes. Security and safekeeping / backup of data is assured but I hever had it. Also interesting the cost is tailoured to you for the first year possibly two then it shoots up and you are stuck In short these systems can help but in my view don't get too dependant on them. Paul
PJG  
#3 Posted : 12 July 2010 23:22:30(UTC)
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PJG

We've been dabbling with this for years so have looked at loads. At present we have a decent system in the process of moving to tender stage. Three other very large players in this field have dropped out! It is not necessarily a case of getting what you pay for, in fact, more often a case of how much they think you will pay!!! Accordingly, we have quotes ranging from £16,000 to £50,000+ for the same criteria system. We have not looked at Enropy. What is you time scale?
eunos  
#4 Posted : 14 July 2010 14:37:26(UTC)
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eunos

Many thanks for your input. We know it's an expensive option, and your right about the safekeeping and backup of data, as this system is operated by a company based in Docklands. It would be much easier if the company just went ahead and developed an intranet!
WelshTim  
#5 Posted : 14 July 2010 15:25:57(UTC)
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WelshTim

I work for AssessNET who offer a similar system to the one you described. I don't wish to use this as a marketing tool but with regards to some of the comments raised here there are a number of things to be aware of when considering such systems. With regards to company's providing such systems going under it is always worth asking about Escrow agreements that they may have in place meaning that if the worst would happen your data and the code you need to access it would be passed to a 3rd party who would then be able to supply it to you. Don't forget internal IT department's have problems too, I know of at least one organisation that previously used an internally hosted solution who's IT department lost 3 years worth of data. At least you have a contract and terms and conditions with an external provider. As pointed out by Paul there are other pitfalls to building inhouse such as changes to legistlation etc and regular back ups and upgrades. I hope you find a system that fits your requirements. Tim
SafetyMagic  
#6 Posted : 21 July 2010 10:31:35(UTC)
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SafetyMagic

Hi All, I to work for a software company (Enable Infomatrix) and would like to reiterate the comments of WelshTim - ultimatley i would be worried if a vendor didnt offer you an escrow agreement and explain in detail their policies and disaster recovery procedures. I know if we didnt have such back ups and processes in place we wouldn't be in business and have the client base we do!! In addition the numbers quoted above by PJG scare me!! After all it is not rocket science what we are doing - it is you guys who are managing the actions and analysing the data to be preventative or reactive - all we do as vendors is listen to your requirements and tailor an environment to meet your needs. Good luck in your search
EleanorS  
#7 Posted : 23 July 2010 16:05:36(UTC)
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EleanorS

I also work for a software provider (Rivo) and we would always encourage you to do a thorough market test of the solutions available. In our experience without this it is impossible to see if you are truly comparing like with like. For example, we specialise in large-scale, tailored solutions, and others specialise in out-of-the-box, 'what you see is what you get' software. There are differences in all solutions, and you should expect a provider to tell you if they don't think they are right for you. To some it may not be 'rocket science' but to other organisations it is business critical that certain functionality is provided. You should also expect any potential provider to fully alleviate your concerns in detail, such as data backup, what would happen to your data should they go under, or you choose to leave. I hope you find the best solution for your unique requirements.
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