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firesafety101  
#1 Posted : 13 July 2010 14:11:04(UTC)
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firesafety101

Another fire extinguisher topic but this one has some substance. Have a look at this article http://www.fia.uk.com/en...34-4639-B0BE5536BAF07A4B I know statistics can be massaged to suit but there must be something it this.
Safety Smurf  
#2 Posted : 13 July 2010 14:58:39(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Hmmmm! I wonder how many of those were extinguished by people who'd had formal practical experience?
Mick Noonan  
#3 Posted : 13 July 2010 15:05:27(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

My jaundiced eye notes the web site address... However, the point still is valid and I have no reason to doubt the validity of the findings. Sure most successfully extinguished fires were down to the fact that a fire extinguisher was used. Strangely enough, we are currently installing a fire supression system on my current construction project and they are going to be using a chemical gas/liquid (heptafluoropropane) to "suck" the energy from the fire. This was new to me as a method of controlling a fire and further to discussions previously regarding asphyxiation of nearby humans this system claims to be harmless. Interesting I thought. Sorry if I'm going off topic...
firesafety101  
#4 Posted : 13 July 2010 15:10:21(UTC)
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firesafety101

So if my lungs are big enough could I suck the fire out :-) The Fire Safety Order states that “Where necessary in order to safeguard the safety of relevant persons, the responsible person must ensure that the premises are equipped with appropriate fire-fighting equipment and fire-fighting equipment is simple to use and indicated by signs. The responsible person must take measures for fire-fighting in the premises and nominate competent persons to implement those measures and ensure that the number of such persons, their training and the equipment available to them are adequate.” That's a quote from the article. In the guide to offices and shops rrfso page 22 states- "all staff should be familiar with the location and basic operating procedure for the equipment provided, in case they need to use it." then a mention of fire marshalls provided with more comprehensive training. Is that not required training>
Mick Noonan  
#5 Posted : 13 July 2010 15:17:24(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

A simple addition to your employee induction course indicating where the fire extinguishers are and how they operate, i.e. "pull the pin, point and press the lever".
Mick Noonan  
#6 Posted : 13 July 2010 15:21:34(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

Let's not forget that extinguishers are also supplied to, and found in, public places... for members of the public to use without the need to train them first. They are a life saving, money saving, tool to be used with, or without prior training.
Paul Duell  
#7 Posted : 13 July 2010 17:05:58(UTC)
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Paul Duell

Interesting terminology... The headline claims "Almost 9 out of 10 fires put out by portables" Hmm, that's impressive... But then in the substance of the report... "88% of fires THAT WERE TACKLED BY PORTABLES were put out." So the article could be viewed as saying "over 10% of people who deployed portable fire extinguishers did so unsuccessfully and put their lives at risk for no good reason" I know that's an oversimplification, but so is the original headline!
Paul Duell  
#8 Posted : 13 July 2010 17:08:17(UTC)
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Paul Duell

And yes... Picking up on Safety Smurf's comment - I wonder how many of those were when fire service attended and a firefighter was using the extinguisher? Or in a location like oil refinery or dockside, that has their own similarly trained fire service?
hammer1  
#9 Posted : 13 July 2010 17:48:33(UTC)
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hammer1

A very generic article I think. How many of these fire were in office blocks or residential blocks?? How many were in 'high' risk workplaces? Had the operative receive any training? What type of fires had been extinguished? There is most definitely a need for extinguishers in the work place. Where it is declining would be low risk offices and due to various reasons including vandalism, cost, training, residential buildings has seen a decline. The fact the sponsors of this article would most probably be extinguisher company's makes me suspect. We have competent risk assessors now don't you know who can decide through risk assessment if extinguishers are needed or not, this amongst other things lessen the burden on employer (Part of the reason for FSO). How many have come to a building where the extinguisher company has gone OTT to the extent there are extinguishers every 1 meter, at every door, every exit costing bucks to the employer who could be best spent spending on passive fire protection measures or event stopping the fire in the first place...
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