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Mick Noonan  
#1 Posted : 15 July 2010 17:32:09(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

I have just completed one of the most hazardous tasks I have ever had to do. I catalogued over 30 MEWPs on our site and to confirm the certification I needed to check the serial numbers in the field. Many different types of MEWP on site and therefore the small metal plates that they print the serial number on were located in different parts of the machine. For the most part, accessing these small metal plates necessitated my putting my hand somewhere dangerous and sometimes placing my head there too in order to read the numbers. My gripe here is whether or not it's possible for the manufacturers to put these plates somewhere that they can be easily read/checked. anyone else experience this. Before you all jump on your keypads I made sure that the units were switched off before risking my limbs. Also the MEWPs used are hired in so they come and go all the time. We do operate a "sticker" system but this can (and does) get abused, the only guarantee is to check the small metal plate hidden under all the dust!
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 15 July 2010 18:53:40(UTC)
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firesafety101

Sounds like you do a lot of hiring in? You must have a great deal of clout re the hire companies, why not suggest to those companies that they have the serial numbers in readily readable places, and if they do that you will probably give them more business. You can say the request follows a risk assessment that came up as high risk, they may then see you side of the argument?
bob youel  
#3 Posted : 16 July 2010 09:22:08(UTC)
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bob youel

Chris B has hit the nail on the head also get the hire company to ID the various numbers you need on their involves/handover docs so as they do the work and not you - you can use these documents as your records
Mick Noonan  
#4 Posted : 16 July 2010 09:44:03(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

Gents, thanks for the advice but I fear that you overestimate my clout. The MEWPs are hired by six separate subcontractors so I have nothing to do with how they come to be here. I’m simply trying to ensure that they have valid, in date, inspection certs. To confirm this I need to match the serial numbers on the certificates to those on the MEWPs themselves. To make it easier we do have a “sticker” system where I place a distinctive sticker on the side and write all the relevant information on there for future checks, but this still necessitates going back to the plate to accurately record the serial number. I’m just looking for opinion or comment to see if others out there have similar experiences. In a perfect world we might even reach someone that works for a supplier or manufacturer who could bring this issue somewhere that might make a difference. It’s not down to the hire companies as they simply buy them in and hire them out. Any cost implication to the hirer or our site contractors is simply not possible to solve this as, financially, projects are far too tight. Contractors price jobs at a loss these days, just to survive. I just find it hard to believe that the manufacturers couldn’t have found a better place to put these plates. It seems to me like an afterthought with zero discussion and certainly no input from “safety”. Friday rant…(I can get on with my day now)
firesafety101  
#5 Posted : 16 July 2010 10:10:21(UTC)
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firesafety101

This interests me as I carry out inspections on sites where MEWPS are in use, and as you say are hired in by different sub contractors. I work for the client/CDM Coordinator and, on their behalf I try to ensure everything is as it should be but do not go as far as you do to check the plates on every machine. I am unable to do that as, if I did the same with everything I would be duplicating all the checks carried out over a period of two weeks prior to my inspection. There is not the time for me to carry out such comprehensive checking of documents on sites. I have to have an element of trust that the site foreman has done what is required and ask to see his paperwork. That is sometimes the actual sheets sent by the hire company, or other times photocopies of the documents he has received. If records are not available I require the PC to demand the correct documents from the hire company, this is occasionally sent by email to the site foreman's mobile phone. I find recently that MEWPS are arriving on site with a laminated test/inspection sheet and this satisfies me. The hire company have a duty to send test/inspection records with the equipment so why not trust then to send the correct paperwork with the machine? The sub contractor also has a duty to send such information on returning the machine to the hire company or on to anther site. One approach you could try, if you are to be so pedantic, and I use that term in a non derogatory manner, is to demand the sub contractor that hires the equipment to do the search for the plate himself prior to approving use of the machine at your site. If that means six or so different contractors doing the check it will save you the time and trouble.
Mick Noonan  
#6 Posted : 16 July 2010 11:11:34(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

Chris, you have spent three paragraphs explaining why you don’t perform the checks as I have described them and, clearly, you are troubled that I go to the lengths that I do. My original post is concerned with the manufacturers and where they place these plates on their machines. I perform the checks in the way that I do because I do have the time. As a construction safety professional of over 10 years I have not always had the time to be so thorough & pedantic. I’ve worked on large and small jobs and how busy they are differs greatly as I’m sure you know. Besides, I never asked for your opinion on how I should check the MEWPs on my site. I should point out that I am full time on site and simply wish to know if anyone has had a similar experience or even agrees with me on the subject matter. Regarding my being pedantic, I don’t like it but would have to admit that I am, in fact I’d go as far as to say that if you are a safety professional then, by definition, you are pedantic.
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 16 July 2010 11:36:55(UTC)
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bob youel

if it a construction site and U work for the PC or even the client then 1 way to undertake the work is to get the subbies to confirm to you that they have this area covered - confirm via word of mouth backed up with docs and thereafter you undertake occasional reality checks - as; in my personal opinion; there comes a time when it becomes <RP to do certain things. Also get the areas you are concerned about covered in the T&C's Pedantic: Its only when a person is in the doc that the definitation is qualified as lawyers like perdantic people if they are on the same side
firesafety101  
#8 Posted : 16 July 2010 11:41:10(UTC)
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firesafety101

Mick I am not troubled by what you are doing, just think you are spending a bit more time than necessary, just like me writing here :-) That is my opinion, and what you get when you post topics on this forum. I know it's Friday but calm down now.
Mick Noonan  
#9 Posted : 16 July 2010 12:03:13(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

ChrisBurns wrote:
I know it's Friday but calm down now.
Chris, the above quote will not have the effect of making me calm... finishing early on a Friday on the other hand does it every time.
firesafety101  
#10 Posted : 16 July 2010 12:06:24(UTC)
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firesafety101

Mick, enjoy the weekend and the early finish. Unlike you I don't have an early finish Friday - I just don't start at all :-)
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