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Seamusosullivan  
#1 Posted : 21 July 2010 16:34:02(UTC)
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Seamusosullivan

While not safety related, it may concern some. I have begun to get familar with Powerpoint 2010. I notice lots of tricks can be done for a presentation with 2010, just a little bit more than 2007. Perhaps too much can be done, I am of the belief that presentations especially training ones, should be kept simple, and not cluttered with things going back and forth on the screen, spinning etc. It does have a handy feature where one can put in a link to show a dvd etc, I am thinking it must be annoying for some people to see various things zooming in, and out of the screen, etc. What do you think?
David Bannister  
#2 Posted : 21 July 2010 17:18:44(UTC)
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David Bannister

Like all tools, it can be used well or misused. The quality of the training/presentation is almost always a function of the trainer/presenter. Sadly, too many people concentrate on the tools and forget that the message is more important.
freelance safety  
#3 Posted : 21 July 2010 19:17:57(UTC)
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freelance safety

Quite agree, we must remember that powerpoint is just an aid to training.
Clairel  
#4 Posted : 21 July 2010 19:24:28(UTC)
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Clairel

The two things that irritate me the most are: Use of coloured text that can't be distinguished from the background. Red on blue etc. And too much text Oh, and people who just read what's on the slide instead of talking round it. Can't say I've ever had a trainer be too fancy with the functions. Like the ability to play media clips.
freelance safety  
#5 Posted : 21 July 2010 19:30:23(UTC)
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freelance safety

I mainly just use it for highlighting pictures (ggod and bad practices) and making specific points.
Seamusosullivan  
#6 Posted : 21 July 2010 19:41:33(UTC)
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Seamusosullivan

I agree the Powerpoint presentation should only be used as an aid. Red text on a blue blackground is also a dislike for me. I remember once hearing, or reading somewhere that the most on a slide should be 6 x 6 , I think that was six words by six lines, I think that may even too much. Powerpoint is useful for key words which ensure the trainer is reminded to cover something, and it also helps to disclipine one with time. Playing the media clips will prove to be useful as it saves time looking for the relevant file etc. Another thing which drives me bonkers is where the room is way too bright to see the screen, sometimes caused by the sun shining in windows on screen etc. Often cured by black bags stuck on to window, where there are no curtins etc.
firestar967  
#7 Posted : 21 July 2010 20:42:57(UTC)
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Just remembering the dark days of the Overhead Projector and View Foils or am I showing my age;-)
Ciarán Delaney  
#8 Posted : 21 July 2010 20:57:59(UTC)
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Firestar, they are still been used my friend. A lovely guy in UCC refuses point blank to use their "new fangled gizmos" and prefers the Overhead projector, his acetates and the acetate roller. And he managed to get the highest marks out of all the tutors in the course. With regard to Clairel, we had one lecturer who read everything off the powerpoint and 18 (yes, eighteen) lines on one page. The college got slightly upset when they asked for feedback (must have been from the time I was in Scarborough), when I described his lecturing technique in terms that were kinda direct and to the point. I asked them a simple question "Did they want to hear what they wanted to hear or Did they want to hear the truth?" They took the second option. OOPS!!!
firesafety101  
#9 Posted : 21 July 2010 21:15:17(UTC)
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firesafety101

I recently attended a presentation on ADHD by a retired doctor. He had two overhead projectors and alternated between the two. Quite clever you may think - not so as he had both trained onto the same area of screen, and both with lines of writing at the same time. It was a nightmare and the worst presentation I have ever seen.
Tim Briggs  
#10 Posted : 21 July 2010 21:42:29(UTC)
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Tim Briggs

Good evening all and Beware the gadgetry. Stuff4blokes I agree entirely. Firestar967 I remember making many acetates with flaps and labels, much easier with new technology but the good old acetate if well used can be jst as effective. There are some basic rules I teach my students with respect to presentation technique. Mostly learned from my Army days. When you present you are on stage, on show, dress apropriately and find out what your target population is. You and your knowledge are on show, so get your facts right and ensure stories used complement or reinforce your message. Give the message in stories if you can - doesnt matter if they are not your stories, as long as the attendees learn they dont really care whose story it is as long as it is pertinent and helps them to remember your message or learn (at least thats my experience). Dont reveal all the information at once on each slide, build up the message. Use the slides to support your message, the slides should not solely be THE message. That may mean you have to undertake some practice and revise your notes and timing. Watching someone deliver a presentation or give a lesson just repeating word for word what is on the slides will send those present into dreamland very quickly. They will also doubt your ability and knowledge (believe me they pick this up very quickly). Practice your timing, sometimes a pause can be much more effective if used at the right stage. There should be no more than 8 lines on any slide (Thats what my MOI course in the Army taught me and has served me well on many occasions since). Ensure you have a correct contrast between words and background. Black on white works well, white on blue works well but watch out for the red writing on a blue background. Dont rely on the fact you can see what is written well on your computer screen it does not always work like that, get the slides projected and see if it can be read from all around the room you are presenting in. Beware too may flashy gadgets, those present may become engrossed in the gadgetry and again the learning lesson or the point of your message may be lost. Dont just insert video because you can, ensure if you use video it enforces or reinforces your message. Video can be used to promote engagement from those attending through discussion. If any wishes they can have the powerpoint I give my students which explains the basics of good presentation techniques. Best regards to all Tim Briggs
Ron Hunter  
#11 Posted : 21 July 2010 23:25:45(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Next time you've a spare 20 minutes or so, Google "Death by Powerpoint".
aud  
#12 Posted : 22 July 2010 00:46:26(UTC)
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aud

I wish people would learn a little bit more about using Powerpoint, a few (limited) fancy features would be better than the serial default of: title, bullet, bullet, bullet - next slide please. Good points about readability, simplicity etc. A benefit of the old acetates was the ability to pick a specific slide, to go back a couple, skip a few, and so retain complete control over the delivery, rather than doggedly follow the projected path determined back in the office. You CAN do this in Powerpoint, but it takes more effort - took me a while to figure it out, before I was finally weaned off the acetates (luddite). Learning to blank the screen when not actively using a slide, would be good. Try just photos . . or single words or phrases. Or gently animated diagrams with build-ups - assuming relevance. Avoid bells & whistles. Literally. The technology is now here to do things we couldn't do with the old acetate method, but many persist in just using a computer version of the plain old slides. But it's still just a support (not a prop!) for the presenter. I would prefer NOT to rely on Powerpoint but have learnt to use it - if I must - better than so many I see.
pete48  
#13 Posted : 22 July 2010 06:27:22(UTC)
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pete48

Aaah, the happy days when the only thing that could go wrong was the bulb blew on the OHP or the extension lead was too short!! Most people would want to arrive early to set up and lay out actetates etc. How many today just turn up and plug in the USB and expect it to be OK? Is this subject safety related, yes of course it is. Training and information are fundamental parts of SSOW. Get it wrong or do it badly and you fail to properly apply one of the risk reduction/controls required to keep people safe. I second the comment about slide design. Dark background light text, light text dark background, no colour circle contrasts. Try laying out a slide with blue background and white text then without changing the text simply change to white background and black text. Then ask yourself which looks the more professional when projected onto a screen. Notice how you can see all the imperfections on the projector screen with the white background. Don't be afraid to use some of the standard slide templates, they have been designed by designers for particular uses after all. If you know how to do it you can change the style of your slides with a couple of clicks. Useful skill when the venue presents conditions that might suit a different colour combo or contrast. And if you respect your audiences and use BIG BIG text, it has the default effect of keeping what you have written on the slide quite succint. Introducing line by line is better than a slide of 6 rows of text. Everyone has read all 6 lines before you have even said anything. When preparing the session see whether you can present without ever doing that thing of looking round to read the slide every time! If you can't then the PP has been designed as your session notes and that is the both the most annoying and disappointing method of using PP. It is estimated that 80% of people who use PP only know about 20% of the functionality of the programme and commonly only use only 20% of that knowledge when designing PP presentations. How many users I wonder have ever had any knowledge training on the programme itself never mind presentational skills. Worst presentational use of PP? An accountant who was talking about budgets etc and put up a "slide" of an excel spreadsheet which would have been difficult to read as an A4 page as the text was so small. 15 minutes and 2 slides later I had to take a comfort break. Second worst, a presentation where each of the different slide transitions had been used one after the other presumably because the presenter either couldn't decide which to use or just wanted to show of their prowess. I didnt stay long enough to work it out. Now where did I leave that marker pen and can I borrow an extension lead whilst I am here please, I will tape it to the floor, honest. What time is coffee coming? p48
jwk  
#14 Posted : 22 July 2010 09:42:27(UTC)
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jwk

When we interviewed in April last year the technology simply refused to work for any of the candidates. They all however showed that they understood the most fundamental rule of presentations; the technology is an aid, and should not be the show itself (this has already been stated in this thread and it is so so true). So we got several excellent discourses on the subject of the presentation without a single flashy transition or dancing question marks etc etc. The interviews we held this year were slightly different; once again we had some problems with the technology, but this time one of the candidates proved unable to cope with this, one of the ones that did cope got the job. But job interview or presentation to the board or whatever, KISS and always be ready for the thing to break down, John
Seamusosullivan  
#15 Posted : 22 July 2010 12:45:41(UTC)
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Seamusosullivan

Thanks everyone, yes i agree, one must be pepared for the day technology does not work. One day while delivering a course,I had an electrical power cut, so no projector, and laptop only for a while ( battery kept it going for a bit), the day turned out fine, and when the power did come on, I relaised I could have managed without it. Seamus
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