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Phil John  
#1 Posted : 21 July 2010 12:49:39(UTC)
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Phil John

Hi Guys I know one (or more) of you knowledgeable persons will have come across this (ME; NO)!! Cleaning Operatives who clean tenants houses sometimes worry or feel they may have been in contact with persons or furniture containing Scabies. All they won't to know; is there a spray they can use after leaving properties if they feel they may have come into contact with this problem. Something likes a spray canister with Tea-tree oil or Lime Sulphur etc. I know little about this subject; so instead of relentlessly googling I thought I ask the experts. Thank you Guys Phil
Paul Walsham  
#2 Posted : 21 July 2010 13:44:30(UTC)
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Paul Walsham

Sabies is a highly contagious condition. Whilst in the army my whole Sqn myself included "caught" scabies. This is a little mite that burrows under the skin to lay eggs, usually in the warmer places on the body such as between the fingers, toes and around the groin area. This causes an intense itching and is very uncomfortable, it is also difficult to get rid of the little parasites. I am not aware of any quick fixes or magic potions that are available to remedy an "infestation" In ours and my case it was a matter of segregation, isolation, hot baths, application of a foul smelling white liquid twice daily and all kit through an autoclave. Hopefully things will have improved over the intervening years.
bilbo  
#3 Posted : 21 July 2010 13:49:34(UTC)
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bilbo

Scabies is rarely contracted from contact with furnishings etc - most usually skin to skin contact. Symptoms can take up to two weeks or more to develop. Treatment may vary according to severity of infection but is usually carried out in one or more sessions some time apart. For the best advice though, log on to the Health Protection Agency website and put "Scabies" in the search engine - this will trun up the most recent advice for you and may give you access to some information sheets for you to pass on to your employees
Clairel  
#4 Posted : 21 July 2010 14:21:13(UTC)
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Clairel

Skin to skin contact usually and to be honest you can get it through contact with anyone at anytime. One of those things not to get paranoid about really. I'm not aware that you can actually prevent it once you've been in contact with an infected person but someone else may know better.I'm no expert. Howveer, if they are cleaning aren't they wearing (non-latex) gloves anyway to prevent dermatitis from repeated contact with chemicals and water.
jwk  
#5 Posted : 21 July 2010 14:52:51(UTC)
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jwk

Just to add my twopennorth; I think it isn't even just casual contact either. I think I read somewhere that it has to be reasonably prolonged such as might occur with a family member or very close friend, I recall reading something like 15 minutes, but I could be wrong. My ex-boss got scabies from a temple masseuse (it was just a massage, honestly!) in Sri Lanka, and I did a bit of reading about it then, though that was 12 years ago and the memory's not what it was... Now, what did I come up here for??? John
Kaj  
#6 Posted : 21 July 2010 14:54:27(UTC)
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Kaj

Dear ffion, An interesting question, however I have to say that I have never heard of such a product that would be that easy to use or provide a quick fix. Obviously ‘Scabies’ is mite which burrows & lays its eggs under the skin, hence the scratching etc, therefore treatment tends to be more intense as the mite’s themselves cannot be seen by the naked eye and involves skin samples to be taken etc. I’m not a physician by any means but I think in this instance prevention is the best policy. Obviously, avoiding contact with infected individuals helps, and good personal hygiene are the most important means of preventing scabies, along with regular laundering of clothes etc. If I were an employer and to prevent an incident to which you refer, I think following a few basic steps would be more than adequate.  Follow the ‘Principles of Prevention’ Avoid the risk if possible, evaluate the risk that cannot be avoided, combat the risk at source, adapt the work to the individual, adapt technical progress, replace dangerous articles with non or less dangerous, prevention policy & lastly PPE In this instance I think suitable PPE would need to be explored (unless already provided)? I’m guessing that not all premises that are serviced by the business present this risk, so I think in addition to the controls already implemented, maybe further information, instruction & training given to all those at potential risk regarding scabies and their effects? Depending on the size and nature of the business, I would be inclined as an extra, to set up a basic employee ‘Health surveillance’ programme which will monitor the employee regarding such a hazard of scabies, skin conditions etc & also in respect of using cleaning agents. Best regards, KS
johnmurray  
#7 Posted : 21 July 2010 15:05:01(UTC)
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johnmurray

GordonP  
#8 Posted : 21 July 2010 15:17:39(UTC)
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GordonP

There is a product called Tetmosol Soap, available from egroup UK Ltd which helps prevent infestation: http://www.ebrahimjee.co...ps/tetmosol/tetmosol.php But before everyone goes running out to buy some, it is NOT approved for use within the UK.
Phil John  
#9 Posted : 21 July 2010 18:47:56(UTC)
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Phil John

Hi Guys As I knew; you guys come up with great information. Basically a house required cleaning prior to any works being carried as the Operatives felt the person was not looking after the house as good (hygienically) as they could have. The Operatives completed the task of cleaning prior to others completing different works; some days later an Operative complained they had Scabies and could only link it to the said properly. This had not happened before as they used to spray a substance on them after leaving properties they felt was not as hygienic as it could have been. The Operatives had to stop using it (I believe the product had pesticides in it and was toxic). This was before my time with the company. So that is why I was asking was there a different product they could have used? Thank you very much. Phil
User is suspended until 03/02/2041 16:40:57(UTC) Ian.Blenkharn  
#10 Posted : 21 July 2010 19:40:58(UTC)
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Ian.Blenkharn

The risk of your colleagues acquiring scabies in any of its common forms may be somewhat lower than from social contract or patient care but it is generally considered possible to contract scabies from contaminated funiture and furnishings. I would imagine that that risk is actually very low, and more so if your staff and wearing standard workwear and maintain basic (social) hygiene precautions. There is no approved scabicide suitable for repeated use so prophylaxis with a recognised scabicide is not feasible - prophylaxis is recommended for institutional or domestic infections, but that is completely different from the circumstances you describe that would necessitate repeated cycles of prophylaxis for repeated [resumed] exposure events. Be aware that most scabicides are toxic and irritant and overuse, even of OTC products, is not recommended. Awareness, and recognition and prompt treatment are the most appropriate options.
bob youel  
#11 Posted : 22 July 2010 07:23:28(UTC)
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bob youel

also remember that COSHH comes in here and I have found that some products used to get rid of infestations are more hazardous than the infestation themselves e.g. cat flea killer so be careful and look at all your routes of control e.g. adequate PPE etc not just the use of chemicals!
bob youel  
#12 Posted : 22 July 2010 07:42:43(UTC)
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bob youel

Operative: I feel very uncomfortable with this term as surely in this day and age we are at least all known as staff or even employees?
David Bannister  
#13 Posted : 22 July 2010 10:14:16(UTC)
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David Bannister

Not true Bob. Many widely differing terminologies in use for "worker" ranging from the frankly ludicrous PC ones dreamt up by some LAs & Gov't Depts to some quite derogatory ones in some places.
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