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alan w houghton  
#1 Posted : 23 July 2010 09:39:13(UTC)
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alan w houghton

I want my eyes testing
What should work contribute towards - full/part cost?

DSE 80% of the time and my arms are not quite long enough now
How much if anything work should contribute towards glasses as I am coming to the realisation I need a pair

Alan
PhilBeale  
#2 Posted : 23 July 2010 09:44:51(UTC)
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PhilBeale

No t an expert but having seen this on forums before. your work need to pay for the eye test and if you need glasses suitable for DSE work this can often be as cheap as £16 as they don't need to pay for varifocals or anything like that. In fact i think a well know high street chain do the ye test and glasses for £16 all in

Some companies allow employees to contribute themselves if they want better or fancier glasses above the basic.

Phil
jwk  
#3 Posted : 23 July 2010 09:54:45(UTC)
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jwk

Just to expand on Phil's post; it's known on the trade as a Regulation 5 eyetest, as it is provided for in Reg 5 of the DSE regs. It's usually a test for middle vision deficit, and is not a general eye-test. Likewise, the 'corrective apliances' will be for DSE use, and not for the correction of general visual deficits. There are one or two very unusual conditions (such as nystagmus) which might need expensive and unusual glasses, but as Phil says in almost all cases 'DSE' type glasses can be very cheap. However, the employer does have to pay for whatever is needed to correct the specifically identified visual deficit which would otherwise impede comfortable DSE work, in other words they have to pay for whatever the optician prescribes,

John
Guru  
#4 Posted : 23 July 2010 10:47:23(UTC)
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Guru

Interesting reading up on the requirements for employers providing DSE users corrective lenses. Reg 5 states that only where normal glasses or lenses cannot be used, employers must provide and cover the cost for special corrective appliances perscribed to adjust visual quality at DSE viewing distance.

Now, does this mean if someones vision can be improved at their workstation with their normal glasses the employer does not need to cover the cost?

holmezy  
#5 Posted : 23 July 2010 11:04:31(UTC)
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holmezy



Guru,

Normal specs usually cater for long or short sightedness. DSE vision reqts fall somewhere in the middle of that, and as stated, require a "specific" examination to cater for the viewing distance of a pc or screen. Only if "specific" specs are required for correction over this disatnce (ie 60cm ish give or take a few) then the employer pays for the examination and corrective spec to a minimum cost. If the employees sight needs to be corrected for long or short sightedness, which also happens to make viewing a pc easier, then the employer is under no obligation to pay.

so in short, the answer is no.

Holmezy
Mick Noonan  
#6 Posted : 23 July 2010 11:05:47(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

Yes. You're correct Guru. On the basis that they need glasses for their everyday life first and work second.

jay  
#7 Posted : 23 July 2010 11:56:12(UTC)
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jay

I very much doubt that an employer has the competence to decide whether a DSE User requires corrective spectacles or not solely and specifically for VDU use.

This is a part of the eye-test and the optometrist will state whether " a special prescription is required solely and specifically for VDU use. If a special prescription is required, then the employer is obliged to pay the full cost of a "baisc pair of corrective appliances".
David Bannister  
#8 Posted : 23 July 2010 11:58:25(UTC)
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David Bannister

As a slight aside, I need specs for driving (distance) and now for reading (close work) but my vision for DSE work needs no correction whatsoever. In conversation with several people I have discovered that this is quite normal.

Sadly, trying to get a pair of designer specs through on expenses is a non-starter, according to my company accountant!
John J  
#9 Posted : 23 July 2010 12:02:33(UTC)
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John J

Alan,

DSE eyesight screening is very specific and not suitable for ordinary prescription glasses. You can enter the search 'DSE eye test' on a search engine and a number of companies offer free sample tests which will give you an idea of the extent of your condition.
If you are struggling reading or seeing distance you will need to see your own optician and your company is not liable for any costs incurred.
The cost of glasses need not be excessive and a well known high street chemist often has offers on for free eye tests.

John

Ron Hunter  
#10 Posted : 23 July 2010 12:28:35(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

This must be in the top 5 FAQs here, yet the incorrect answer often appears.

To quote L26:
"Employers’ liability for the cost of these is restricted to payment of the cost of a basic appliance, ie of a type and quality adequate for the user’s work. Where bifocal or varifocal spectacles are prescribed as special corrective appliances....the employer is required to meet the costs associated with providing a basic frame and the prescribed lenses."

L26 is available as a free pdf download. Source acknowledged as HSE
Mick Noonan  
#11 Posted : 23 July 2010 12:44:52(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

I have to claim ignorance of the "DSE eye test" and what it comprises. I'm also a wearer of prescription glasses and have never had issues with DSEs before. My regular glasses seem to be working fine. I always thought that people were either long or short sighted and I have to say I'm more than a little sceptical wrt this.

If there is really an issue regarding the "DSE eye test" then why haven't I needed it? Is there a medical opinion to back this up?
Ciarán Delaney  
#12 Posted : 23 July 2010 12:51:05(UTC)
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Hi Mick,

Believe there is. Eye test has been available since 1993 in the Republic.
Ron Hunter  
#13 Posted : 23 July 2010 13:01:59(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Mick, you're in the lucky 90-95% then. pdf here may be interest:

http://www.college-optom...24-4DBF-B7145510CBBC5B15
Mick Noonan  
#14 Posted : 23 July 2010 13:02:12(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

I can assure you I'll be quizzing my optician at the next available opportunity and I await with anticipation the medical reference that will shed some light on this.

Ciaran, I appreciate that the test may be there, the fact that I've never heard of it, however, I find odd. Perhaps I have missed it, although I work in construction and we don't have much call for it.

Happy weekend averybody...
Ciarán Delaney  
#15 Posted : 23 July 2010 13:06:45(UTC)
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Mick, Cut and paste from '93 Regs.

32. Provision of Eye Tests and Corrective Appliances

Every employer shall, taking into account any entitlement which an employee may have to any tests and appliances provided by the State and relating to eyesight and appliances ensure—

( a ) that an appropriate eye and eyesight test, carried out by a competent person, is made available to every employee—

(i) before commencing display screen work.

(ii) at regular intervals thereafter, and

(iii) if an employee experiences visual difficulties which may be due to display screen work,

( b ) that, if the results of a test under this Regulation show that it is necessary, an ophthalmological examination is carried out on the employee concerned; and

( c ) that, where the results of a test or an examination under this Regulation show that it is necessary, and if normal corrective appliances cannot be used, the employee concerned is provided with special corrective appliances appropriate to his work.

Ciarán Delaney  
#16 Posted : 23 July 2010 13:09:31(UTC)
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2007 Regs.

Provision of eye tests and corrective appliances.
73. An employer shall, taking into account any entitlement which an employee may have to any
tests and appliances provided by the State relating to eyesight and appliances, ensure that—
(a) the provision of an appropriate eye and eyesight test, carried out by a competent
person, is made known to and is made available to every employee—
(i) before commencing display screen work,
(ii) at regular intervals thereafter, and
(iii) if an employee experiences visual difficulties which may be due to display
screen work,
(b) if the results of a test under this Regulation show that it is necessary, an
ophthalmologic examination is carried out on the employee concerned, and
(c) where the results of a test or an examination under this Regulation show that it is
necessary, and if normal corrective appliances cannot be used, the employee
concerned is provided with special corrective appliances appropriate to his or her
work.
Ron Hunter  
#17 Posted : 23 July 2010 13:26:25(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

I guess we're cutting across some National boundaries with the Regulations being quoted?
In UK we have the 1992 Regs, as amended (2002), came into force 1st Jan 1993 & 17th September 2002.
Ciarán Delaney  
#18 Posted : 23 July 2010 13:39:44(UTC)
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Yes Ron,

These are the Republic of Ireland regs for Mick to save him looking them up. Just had them handy.

Ciaran
bob youel  
#19 Posted : 23 July 2010 13:52:43(UTC)
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bob youel

Note:
Suitable glasses are required under more than just the DSE regs! A - and note the new driving eye sight tests that are coming in for 'professional' drivers which cover none DSE users
Mick Noonan  
#20 Posted : 26 July 2010 09:26:41(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

Ciarán, the ‘93/2007 regs cover the provision of the eye test, however, I was referring the advent of the “Regulation 5 eye-test” as raised in post #3. I appreciate I’m mixing my jurisdictions here but generally we’re never that far apart wrt regulations and such things interest me. I was sceptical in the beginning because there seemed to be an eye condition relating directly to the use of DSE. This, I realise now, is not the case at all.

I know someone, lets call them person X, who is slightly short sighted only every time they went to the optician they squinted their way through the test with the result that they were told they didn’t need glasses. This carried on until, after scolding from me, they returned to perform the eye-test without squinting. The result was a pair of prescription glasses and an end to discomfort wrt DSE.

My point is that the vast majority of people experiencing DSE discomfort are merely reacting to the fact that they have an eyesight deficit, albeit so minor that they don’t recognise it in normal course of their lives. It is, therefore, the extent of this deficit that determines whether or not the employer is required to pay for the test & any corrective lenses. If, for example, your optician were to state that your eyesight deficiency was enough to effect your quality of life then the employer would not be required to pay for the test or any corrective lenses required.
Ciarán Delaney  
#21 Posted : 26 July 2010 09:35:11(UTC)
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See your point Mick.
craven  
#22 Posted : 26 July 2010 14:10:48(UTC)
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craven

To help clarify the original question, if you are deemed to be a 'user' as defined by the DSE Regs., and qualify under the following criteria, then under Regulation 5 your employer is obliged to provide you with an appropiriate eye test if you request it and they must pay. However if the prescription means you permanently require corrective spectacles, and not just for DSE work then the employer does not have to contribute towards the cost of the prescription. Or if you already wear glassess and the prescription is specifically to allow you to use DSE properly then the employer would be liable to contribute. The level of contribution is dependent on what is deemd to be appropriate for the cost of a basic appliance, anything over that, say for designer specs is up to you.

Criteria:
A 'user' may be described as someone who fulfils most or all of the following criteria:

1. depends on the use of display screen equipment to do the job, as alternative means are not readily available for achieving the same results;
2. has no discretion as to use or non-use of the display screen equipment;
3. needs significant training and/or particular skills in the use of DSE to do the job;
4. normally uses DSE for continuous spells of an hour or more at a time;
5. uses DSE in this way more or less daily;
6. fast transfer of information between the user and screen is an important requirement of the job;
7. performance requirements of the system demand high levels of attention and concentration by the user, for example, where consequences of error could be critical.


waynesg  
#23 Posted : 26 July 2010 14:38:35(UTC)
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waynesg

I agree with craven, we give eye test vouchers to all staff who request them. The Optician then gives the employee a certificate with 5 boxes
A, Specticals not required.
B, Specticals are required for general use.
C, Specticals are required for general use, incorparating a special perscription for VDU use.
D Specticals are required for solely for VDU use.
E, Specticals are needed for safety reasons.

We only liable to pay for glasses when C or D are are checked. Unless safety glasses are required when we will pay for them.
Clairel  
#24 Posted : 26 July 2010 19:59:42(UTC)
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Clairel

Wayne can I ask you which opticians voucher scheme you use (you'll have to PM me).

The one I'm dealing with currently only has 2 options (none required and eyewear required for VDU use) and I am convinced that the opticians are ticking the eyewear required for VDU use, when what they really mean is just that eyewear is required generally.
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