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Brijja  
#1 Posted : 26 July 2010 10:20:10(UTC)
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Brijja

could i just say that i would expect a manager to suggest that we are all our own safety officers but I would not have expected it from a Health and Safety professional and i do not think the Institution of Occupational Safety and Health (IOSH) would be very happy with the statement you made " Basically everyone is their own safety advisor" the training is completely different operatives only receive awareness training. You most certainly have the right to agree with xxxxxxx but that does not mean it is right because if we were “Basically everyone is their own safety advisor" we would not need Mr xxxxxxxxxxx, that is why people sit NEBOSH examinations to become Health and Safety advisors This above paragraphs is a response I had from a safety representative; it was on the back of an e-mail i replied to. I haven't included all of the response for confidential reasons. Part of my e-mail I said "Basically everyone is their own safety advisor" meaning we all have a responsibility to our own and others safety. I would be interested to hear comments from other isoh members on his response, please bear in mind the culture at throughout the trade section of the company is a dependant culture. I have only been employed by the company for just over a year, I am on a long hard journey of trying to change the dependant culture into one of an independent one.
Ciarán Delaney  
#2 Posted : 26 July 2010 10:43:42(UTC)
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Brijja, With all due respects to you, two paragraphs out of an email do not allow for the context of the whole communication to be understood.
Brijja  
#3 Posted : 26 July 2010 11:14:32(UTC)
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Brijja

Good point Ciaran Bascially it was a response from me with regards to driving in bad weather conditions, we have a large fleet of vehicles. Housing Association. My Response. Drivers need to make a decision on weather to continue their journey or pull over to somewhere safe and contact their supervisors to advise accordingly should feel if driver conditions are unsafe. There seems to be dependent culture here where as there is an emphasis on management and supervisory control. The main aim for xxxxxxxxx is for a Independent culture where as employees focus on personal commitment to and responsibility for safety, employees should follow safety rules and procedures as well as look after their own health and safety and make choices to keep themselves safe. Basically everyone is their own safety advisor.
mattyturton  
#4 Posted : 26 July 2010 11:15:42(UTC)
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mattyturton

To be honest, i would agree that first and foremost,when carrying out any work, everyone is there own safety advisor. When carrying out any task, we are all told of the need to dynamic risk assess all situations and act accordingly. The safety advisor role is to do all risk assessments, method statements etc but at the end of the day it is down to the individual to take care of his own safety! I may be wrong, but like ciaran says, this does not give the full account of your site. what is your business?
Ciarán Delaney  
#5 Posted : 26 July 2010 11:19:12(UTC)
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Refer them to the Road Traffic Act. The onus is on the driver to take account of the prevailing conditions hence if the road is icy and the speed limit is 60mph, you adjust your driving behaviour. Why not ask your local police force if they have somebody available to deliver a talk on driver safety. I ran one over here with the Irish police and it was very effective.
Ron Hunter  
#6 Posted : 26 July 2010 12:34:32(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

Isn't hindsight a wonderful thing. Seems you have a double challenge arising from a poor culture and perhaps a "variable" support from TU Reps. First and foremost you need to get these TU Reps on your side. Clear communication is key to everything and a core skill for this job. Ideally, your Company Health & Safety Policy Statement would already have a statement (in plain language) stating the duties and Co. expectations of employee safety behaviours. We need to consistently say what we mean (and to mean what we say). The informality of e-mail can be your worst enemy, as can inappropriate or unclear wording (from your posts here: weather v whether, dependent v dependant ,etc.). Time to sit round the table perhaps. How's that H&S Consulation Forum? What about reviewing the Terms of Reference? p.s. Despite what others may say, it most certainly is NOT the exclusive role of the Safety Adviser to "do" all the risk assessments, etc.!
RayRapp  
#7 Posted : 26 July 2010 12:44:38(UTC)
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RayRapp

I would not use the term 'safety advisor' for others, but in principle I agree with the sentiments alluding from it. I believe that everyone knows how to work safely, but from time to time people don't for various reasons. Personal responsibility should be high on list of desirables, no one can be supervised all the time and people need to be reminded of their obligations to themselves and others.
chris.packham  
#8 Posted : 26 July 2010 13:54:49(UTC)
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chris.packham

In my particular field I take the view that: "He who controls how the work is done is the person who has to be able to ensure it is being done safely." This relates primarily to chemicals and skin contact. In my experience minor changes in working practice can make major differences to the hazard and risk of damage to health. There is no way in practice that the health and safety advisor can personally risk assess each and every such change. So we have had to devise a system whereby the individual manager is able to carry out a preliminary risk assessment that indicates whether it is relatively safe to proceed of whether this needs referral to the health and safety adviser. Chris
ahoskins  
#9 Posted : 26 July 2010 15:54:38(UTC)
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ahoskins

I agree with Ray - not everone is their own safety advisor, but certainly everyone should be their own risk assessor. We all are constantly assessing the risks to our well being, from crossing the road to many of our everyday work tasks. Mostly it all happens subconsciously though.
DavidFS  
#10 Posted : 26 July 2010 16:23:06(UTC)
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DavidFS

When driving, one makes a continual stream of dynamic risk assessments. They vary from the simple "Do I overtake on this clear straight stretch when I can pass with a 10mph speed advantage?" to more complex ones like assessing adverse weather conditions and whether it is safe to proceed, and if so, at what speed, which lights are appropriate, etc. One has to listen to one's own advice and manage one's own safety in these circumstances. Self management & H&S Advisor roles all rolled into one.
Clairel  
#11 Posted : 26 July 2010 19:56:20(UTC)
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Clairel

Personally I think I agree with sentiment that everyone needs to take some responsibility for their own actions and situations as they arise. I thinks that's all it suggests really. Let's not get too hung up an the term 'safety advisor'.
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