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safetyman2010  
#1 Posted : 28 July 2010 21:16:48(UTC)
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safetyman2010

Hi, I'm just wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for statutory inspection of requirements for main gas pipework supplying a factory boiler and LPG Gas cylinder supplying a kitchen oven within a kitchen. (Frequency, inspection type, etc) The supplier has been on site to complete their inspection of the pipework leading up to the main gas station but we do not have any inspection set up on pipework leading from the station to our boiler. The system has only been installed in the last 3 years. I'm sorry for lazy option of posting this thread but i'm just over ran at moment on site with a million things to do and only me doing it so thought i'd ask for help. Cheers in advance.
safetyman2010  
#2 Posted : 29 July 2010 10:47:46(UTC)
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safetyman2010

Just in follow up when i read the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regs it states that it does not cover factories unless they have sleeping quarters. I can't find what legislation covers a natural gas mains line from suppliers station running outside the factory and into the boiler house. (400milli bar) Surely this gas pipeline requires periodic inspection? I have been advised it doesn't due to its position outside in a ventialated area but if its any flanged pipework, particulary located outside, must be subject to expansion, contraction and general detoriation. I would really appreciate some help on finding the appropriate statutory requirements. Cheers
Twinklemel  
#3 Posted : 29 July 2010 15:27:50(UTC)
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Twinklemel

As an LA enforcement officer, I'm currently involved in the LPG inspection campaign, which is following on from the report into the Stockline Plastics/IPL explosion. We are making use of DSEAR and PUWER far more than GSIUR when issuing Improvement Notices on gas users in non-domestic properties. That might help you.
safetyman2010  
#4 Posted : 29 July 2010 16:56:11(UTC)
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safetyman2010

Thank you for the reply. Very much appreciate your help. We are considering setting up an annual inspections by the Gas Safety Registered utility provider who installed them. Visual and pressure test. I could only see the PUWER regs as being the applicatable statutory requirements to us and this seemed strange. Thanks for your help
jwk  
#5 Posted : 29 July 2010 16:59:28(UTC)
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jwk

Hi safetyman, We just had an improvement notice about some buried iron LPG pipework; part of the campaign referred to. The Inspector wants us to set up annual inspections, and to be honest that seems quite fair to me, John
pete48  
#6 Posted : 29 July 2010 17:25:04(UTC)
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pete48

Hi safetyman, there is probably something in one of these docs that will help you with the LPG cylinder supply pipework. try the one headed Inspection and Maintenance of LPG Pipework at Commercial and Industrial Premises to see if it fits your needs http://www.uklpg.org/information-sheets.php p48
safetyman2010  
#7 Posted : 29 July 2010 19:46:28(UTC)
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safetyman2010

Thanks for the reply guys. I'm actually dealing with Natural mains gas and not LPG. Pretty same issue though so thank you. I just don't see why this isn't covered in the any of the specific gas safety legislation for workplaces and is instead left for other non specific law. (if i've understood the regs correctly)
Twinklemel  
#8 Posted : 30 July 2010 12:34:44(UTC)
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Twinklemel

Understand you wondering about the scope of the GSIUR - as someone who attempts to make use of those regs in an enforcement role, I feel they're not particularly useful and well overdue for an update!
imwaldra  
#9 Posted : 30 July 2010 14:05:35(UTC)
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imwaldra

Remember that the Pressure Systems Regs may apply to all your onsite pipework handling LPG or gas. I'm not an expert and believe there are some exclusions for small volumes , but think that's where your main workplace duties will lie. The problem at ICL, which has resulted in all the acivity re buried LPG pipework, was that the factory duty holder was clueless about lots of the detailed legislation and in addition seems not to have even remembered they had installed a buried pipe between their rented cylinders and the basement! (the visible pipework was at least listed on their much-delayed site risk assessment, but the buried pipe wasn't!). Remember that a 'pressure test' won't tell you about corrosion until it's too late, so risk-based visual inspection & thickness testing is really the only means to check for external or internal corrosion if it's possible - should be external only for both natural gas and LPG to normal specifications.
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