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mattyturton  
#1 Posted : 30 July 2010 11:47:29(UTC)
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mattyturton

A nursery has been told due to risk assessment, that the wooden shed they have must be replaced by a metal or concrete shed to take away any arson/fire risk. it is in a heavily wooded area, and the building is also wood clad. The question is now asked....what about a wendy house in the garden? it is also wooden? does this have to be replaced also? what does anybody think? nearly home time.............
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 30 July 2010 11:57:24(UTC)
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firesafety101

Fire risk assessment! I have a timber shed in my garden, next to a timber fence, wooden decking and trees. I will not be changing them. I actually BBQ near to all that timber - no fires yet. Wendy house, do the children play at cooking with pretend gas/electric equipment? Do they pretend to smoke cigarettes/cigars? If so carry out a pretend fire risk assessment and see what the pretend main findings are. Then decide whether to change the building materials. Happy Friday
Ciarán Delaney  
#3 Posted : 30 July 2010 12:05:33(UTC)
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Am I allowed to be totally and utterly honest and undiplomatic as to what my response to that risk assessment would be and am I allowed to use "unparliamentary" language as well please?
Safety Smurf  
#4 Posted : 30 July 2010 12:08:45(UTC)
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Safety Smurf

Are you allowed to call them Wendy houses now? No Chris, the kids don't pretend to smoke in the Wendy house, they have to go outside to pretend to smoke... That is, those that aren't wearing pretend patches! ;-)
mattyturton  
#5 Posted : 30 July 2010 12:21:55(UTC)
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mattyturton

sorry, i meant play house!! chris i would agree thats what i have at home as well! unfortunately its county policy. ciaran, feel free!!!
Ciarán Delaney  
#6 Posted : 30 July 2010 12:32:37(UTC)
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Go away, get a life and stop giving H&S professionals a bad reputation with such behaviour. What would you do if someone came in and asked what provisions have you made with regard to a gunman entering your creche. This is a factual story and I was the one who had to deal with the traumatised owner after "an expert from the local health board" asked the question. The reaction of the local police had to be seen to be believed, they totally freaked out and demanded to know "what intelligence" the person had based their question on as they were concerned that the health board had information about a potentially disturbed person in the area. Unbelieveable!!
Moderator 2  
#7 Posted : 30 July 2010 12:33:49(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Ciará Go to Quoted Post
Am I allowed to be totally and utterly honest and undiplomatic as to what my response to that risk assessment would be and am I allowed to use "unparliamentary" language as well please?
It's OK, so long as it is so stunningly witty and humorous that the Mods die laughing ;o)
GordonP  
#8 Posted : 30 July 2010 12:39:54(UTC)
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GordonP

Moderator 2 wrote:
It's OK, so long as it is so stunningly witty and humorous that the Mods die laughing ;o)
It that sense of humor from a Mod? It must be Friday.
Ciarán Delaney  
#9 Posted : 30 July 2010 12:43:38(UTC)
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Oh mother of the divine mercy, Sweet Jaysus, you'll pay for that gordonp, mark my words, de mods 'll be after your blood. dere lovely people those mods, aren't ye Jane xx ;-)
sean  
#10 Posted : 30 July 2010 12:53:54(UTC)
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What am i supposed to do with my tree house?? And my rocking horse!! No not the wife!
martinw  
#11 Posted : 30 July 2010 13:07:38(UTC)
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martinw

Ciaran, when did the local authority bod ask the question? A bloke attacked nursery children and staff with a machete back in Wolverhampton in 1996, and it has happened quite recently a number of times in China. You certainly can't get into the nursery where my daughter currently attend without being buzzed in from within. Good security there which is what I expect, but I would expect this generically, not a reaction to a RA for a gunman, more just for general safety. Sorry to be a downer but it could have just been something relevant at the time for the LA bod. Happy Friday nonetheless Martin
PhilBeale  
#12 Posted : 30 July 2010 13:13:41(UTC)
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PhilBeale

mattyturton wrote:
A nursery has been told due to risk assessment, that the wooden shed they have must be replaced by a metal or concrete shed to take away any arson/fire risk. it is in a heavily wooded area, and the building is also wood clad. The question is now asked....what about a wendy house in the garden? it is also wooden? does this have to be replaced also? what does anybody think? nearly home time.............
is there a chance of the wooden shed being torched possibly but at the end of the day it's only advice given by the fire safety consultant (which is possibly over the top) as the responsible person you can either take that advice or ignore it. I would ignore it as it seems daft to rip down a shed on the off chance some one might target it for arson to have to pay the cost of a new metal shed. leave the shed as it is if it gets burnt down then replace it with a metal shed if it doesn't get burnt down then all the better. no matter what the shed is made of the contents will still burn so it's going to make little difference. there is no law or fire service that is going to state you must have a metal shed or will even consider prosecuting you for it. i would look at the rest of the FRA and see if the advice is generally proportionate to the risks if it is then just ignore the shed comment if you believe the recommendation out weight the risks then take it up with the person that carried out the fire risk assessment. Phil
mattyturton  
#13 Posted : 30 July 2010 13:15:22(UTC)
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mattyturton

i love a friday afternoon, i have done my risk assessment and decided it very safe for a few cold beers this evening!
PhilBeale  
#14 Posted : 30 July 2010 13:17:11(UTC)
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PhilBeale

Just to add FRA primarily look at life protection and not property so a shed is unlikely to affect life unless someone is living in there or there are particularly hazardous substances which need better security should they be involved in a fire. What commenst did the assessor make around fire detection, staff training, fire seperation maintenance and documentation which are more important and vital than a shed. Phil
Ciarán Delaney  
#15 Posted : 30 July 2010 13:21:43(UTC)
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Martin, It was around 2004, and wanted glass to be strong enough to withstand the impact of ammunition!!! Now that is what I was told, I never saw the RA in writing but this person wasn't a BSA and the police went ballistic.
sean  
#16 Posted : 30 July 2010 13:23:05(UTC)
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Just a few beers Matty? your RA is insufficent, i can forward you a robust RA if required?
mattyturton  
#17 Posted : 30 July 2010 13:26:09(UTC)
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mattyturton

haha thanks sean, that would be much appreciated!
safetyamateur  
#18 Posted : 30 July 2010 13:27:40(UTC)
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safetyamateur

"A nursery has been told due to risk assessment, that the wooden shed they have must be replaced by a metal or concrete shed to take away any arson/fire risk." Can't really argue with the statement as it stands. Whether it's RP or otherwise worthwhile is up to the client, right? Are we suffering from a little inverted 'conkers/bonkers'
grim72  
#19 Posted : 30 July 2010 13:31:13(UTC)
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grim72

If memory serves me right, someone nearly died in a shed fire in Grange Hill back in the 80s. Maybe your advisor has been reminiscing? I think a donkey might have been involved in the plot somehwere too. I'm sure someone will remember, and I'm pretty sure Mrs McClusky hadn't completed a FRA either!!!
jwk  
#20 Posted : 30 July 2010 13:45:56(UTC)
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jwk

Grange Hill? Err, that was on TV... OK, I know you know that.... :-) John
MaxPayne  
#21 Posted : 30 July 2010 14:40:40(UTC)
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MaxPayne

mattyturton wrote:
A nursery has been told due to risk assessment, that the wooden shed they have must be replaced by a metal or concrete shed to take away any arson/fire risk. quote] Was that a Daily Mail article? Sounds like one of theirs.
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