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I’ve just been sent an advert from an old colleague of mine from a job site online.
It requires a Chartered Health and Safety professional who must have at least five years full-time experience in OHAS - £5.95 per hour?
It's Monday to Friday 08:30 to 17:30hrs 39.5hrs? (so not even a paid lunch break)
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry!
Can anyone beat this?????????????
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It's not April 1st already is it? Nope just check the calender we're still in August.
That must be a wish list that someone used by mistake ....
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That is brilliant, the funny thing is that they are serious.... do some research before you advertise.
I saw one once for a local college, they were looking for a chartered member with ten years experience in OHAS with a H&S degree and a degree in a science subject all the the amount of 15k per annum.... needless to say the advert returned a few weeks later with an improved offer
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I’m breaking out the emergency wine (medicinal of course!), maybe they could improve the role by giving a paid lunch?????????
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Yes, for to keep your welfare payments in Ireland you can be made to undertake work as part of what is termed a work placement scheme, which means that employers don't have to pay a salary and they specify the qualifications they require!!!
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You are kidding?
I suppose if someone is not working then this could be a plus, however I believe this is taking unfair advatage of the current market forces.
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Copied from IOSH website Home Page
Who we work with
We work with hundreds of different national and international organisations to increase understanding, raise standards and develop partnership projects.
Is anyone in H.O. tackling individual employers about this belittling of our profession (lowering of standards)? If not, perhaps something to very seriously consider. I seriously doubt that the GMC, Law Society, RIBA etc would let this pass without some form of action.
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No laws are being broken, I've just checked the minimum wage which for over 21's is £5.93 per hour, an employer does not have to provide a paid lunch break?
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Has anyone thought to check with the employer/agency; typos do occur you know especially with on line job sites. One finger could have left out a 1,2 3 on the front of that 5? I agree that is seems a strange mismatch so it needs checking out surely?
Employers in the UK do not have to provide paid lunch breaks, in fact I don't know many, if any, who do. They do have to consider the WTD though. (talking UK that is)
So this is a nominal 8 hour day with an hour for lunch, exactly the same as hundreds of thousands of employees in the UK.
If the pay is really that level then I doubt that any professional would actually take the job; do a bit more research maybe to check out the truth.
I have a friend who applied for a similar situation and negotiated a much better rate as part of convincing his new employer what the true cost of a professional is.
Some see opportunity and some see despair. Which is your view?
You decide.
p48
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good point - glass half full; glass half empty!
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I think this has to be a typo.
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easy way to find out...apply and see if it is true..like many comments on various threads...do they really know what they are advertising for... and if they do they need a bit of education
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Yes, I've checked today. the job is working for the NHS at a hospital in Yorkshire. For what its worth the rate is correct, currently over 50 applicants have applied?
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McDonalds (fast food chain), pays more than that here!!!!!
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Freelance, well I guess I had better just drink that half a glass then!!
Are there any members who work in the NHS who could comment further? Are you as surprised as I now am that the NHS expects to get an experienced practitioner for this rate?
Of course we don't know the calibre of the 50 applicants so we mustn't assume that they are all safety bods of any persuasion.
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I am currently working for the NHS in London as a fire safety, and health & safety advisor. The rate of pay seems very low for what is required, but without causing offence is due to the location, current job market and financial constraints within the NHS.
We recently had a vacancy for a similar position, and the salary was a lot more per hour, but struggled to find people for interviews!!!
There is now a freeze in London in recrument, be it full time or agency for this type of work.
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Hate to say it but have you seen how little nurses are paid and they do a real job :)
Joking aside this is basic economics, if you don't want the job don't apply, if they don't get any applicants they will have to put up the wage.. simples. I took my first safety job on a top tier COMAH site for a little over minimum wage, worked hard and long hours to gain experience... never looked back.
That said with low pay I was only too keen to leave as soon as a better offer came along and I had that much needed experience!!!
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Well I'm fortunate having spent the better part of my working career in this profession. However, I am concerned about how little is being offered in this instance.
It does not inspire new people to our profession. As well as being a full time consultant I regularly teach (quite often for free) and over the years I get asked the same questions from candidates about getting their first health and safety jobs?
Over the many years I've found both short-term placements and jobs for many of the 'new blood' to the health and safety world. I wonder if we could have a placement board on the forum for people who are just joining the wonderful world of health and safety. This would only be for new starters and maybe people coming back in to the profession to help them get some experience.
NB. The job is via an agency, so not directly working for the NHS. I'm confident that a direct health and safety professional would get a great deal more if they worked for the NHS as a direct employee?
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freelance safety,
The bulk of fire, health & safety advisors within the NHS (Certanitly in London) are agency staff, as they are easier to dispose of than full time NHS employees.
The NHS has now vwetted all agencys who now have to go through a very vigerous audit procedure to supply staff to the NHS. There are currently only 30 agencys signed to supply staff.
There pay is regulated upon the job they are engaged to do,dependant on the banding.
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..50 people...i had quite a discussion with HR while we were recruiting for a Heath and safety post
we had 90 people who applied for the job within the first week which had quite a comprehensive criteria..and we got rid of 45 because they didnt have the qualifications required on the job spec. .so 50 for a job with that pay and wish list ...it remains to be seen
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Hospital Boy is bang on. Before I was his colleague I had been offered a H&S job as a direct employee in a hospital where I live, but at the time that Agenda for Change went through the NHS, the previous incumbent of the post was band 5 which goes from about £20k to £27K per annum, and the post was then advertised on that basis. One of the problems is that if you are not going to that job from an immediate or recently previous NHS background, you have to join at the bottom of the band. No way I could have taken such a huge pay cut, even though I wanted the job, and was offered it.
I then got a job alongside HB, through an agency, at a significantly higher level than £27k, although I was working for the PCT.
Different Trusts have different firect employee pay rates for the same H&S jobs, depending on what the person doing the role was banded when agenda for change process took place. That sets in stone the banding in most cases.
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Glad my boss is fantastic – it’s me!
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freelance safety wrote:I’ve just been sent an advert from an old colleague of mine from a job site online.
It requires a Chartered Health and Safety professional who must have at least five years full-time experience in OHAS - £5.95 per hour?
It's Monday to Friday 08:30 to 17:30hrs 39.5hrs? (so not even a paid lunch break)
I don’t know whether to laugh or cry!
Can anyone beat this?????????????
Is there any further detail about the position? It could be for an inexperienced safety person who works under supervision without making too many decisions? I would hope that anyway.
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IMO Chris, I think most Chartered Health and Safety professionals would be classed as experienced to some degree?
Apparently, it came off the job centre plus website, it was forwarded to me by a work colleague.
If and when I get some more job roles like this one I’ll get the web-link for it and post it on the forum.
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There is no doubt that CMIOS is experience, you have to be to get the Chartered status.
If there is little or no responsibility to this position then the rate of pay may be correct.
The level of frustration however would be extremely high.
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Chris, from people I know who currently work for the NHS, they will want their pound of flesh and then some. I agree than it would be very frustrating though!
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Has anyone noticed a regular trend of jobs being advertised without any salary or hourly rate being documented, only negotiable or competitive specified. Having searched the market for 8 months before my current position and then dipping back in recently, I have noticed this much more.
Do you think this is employers looking for more for their money by often going for the cheapest option offered to them by interviewees or a "bigger picture" scenario where employers are trying to drive down salary levels on a grand scale, or maybe a less cynical view that it is simply a result of the reccession and is reflective of all other sectors/trades/market forces where pay levels are generally down?
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Although laughable, I guess we are all only worth what those seeking our services are willing to pay us!
A misserable thought!
Is it Friday yet?
Simon
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I recently saw a job advertised in a technology based company, the job wasn't h&s, but the company wanted someone with a PHd, x years experience, the usual spread of management skills etc - all for the handsome salary of £18-25k
Even in a recession - dream on!, might as well take an unskilled job and still earn that sort of range.
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I suspect you are right. Indeed, I recently applied for a role which did not specify a salary and put down what I expected. Later got an email to say the role did not pay that much. What a waste of time! I also don't like prospective employers asking what salary you are currently on - it's none of their business, what does the job pay?
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Afternoon All,
A casualty of the recession I am currently an unemployed CMIOSH who would rather revert 40 years and open up my toolbox (if my knees will stand it) than apply for this position.
But then again as yet I am not desperate and I have other skills to fall back on.
Regarding dealing with the salary question I have used
"Within the band quoted"
"Commensurate with the accountability and location of the position"
I have also detailed my last remuneration package on occassions.
None have yet worked so maybe that is rubbish advice.
Take Care
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