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wainwrightbagger  
#1 Posted : 04 August 2010 15:28:52(UTC)
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wainwrightbagger

Dear All, I have been asked my opinion on the following scenario: Staff member falls ill, or is injured. One of their colleagues offers to drive them home as they are too unwell to work, or drive them to the local A&E for treatment. My concerns would be based upon the fact that this driving service is offered on the basis that a formal request/offer has been made from a work related perspective, not simply a friend helping out; then this is technically business use and therefore we'd need to know that the driver/owner has business insurance. We should be checking that their driving licence is valid as they are now performing work on our behalf and that their vehicle is fit for purpose (MOT, servicing etc). We'd need to evidence that the driver and/or others accompanying on this journey have a level of competence to deal with a worsening health situation if necessary. Have I missed anything? Any advice gratefully received.
Thundercliffe26308  
#2 Posted : 04 August 2010 15:40:43(UTC)
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Thundercliffe26308

We have had all sorts of historical difficulties with transport and this was raised on a couple of occassions and its an .....ambulance every time..we have company vehicles and i would not let a member of staff drive any one to hospital....or if they are ill ....not requiring hospital treatment.. they get a taxi We have first aiders on site that could quite comfortably look after them untill the ambulance arrived. If the conditioned worsened in the car how are they going to be treated ?
Talpidae  
#3 Posted : 04 August 2010 15:46:45(UTC)
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Talpidae

Thundercliffe is spot on IMHO
RayRapp  
#4 Posted : 04 August 2010 15:47:39(UTC)
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RayRapp

It is good practice to accompany someone who may be unwell or suffered and accident at work. If that means driving them home or to the local hospital so be it. Normal precautions should be taken with regards to car insurance, otherwise get a taxi. No need to go OTT with this one.
Ciarán Delaney  
#5 Posted : 04 August 2010 15:53:46(UTC)
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I agree with Ray Rapp.
PhilBeale  
#6 Posted : 04 August 2010 16:45:59(UTC)
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PhilBeale

i think you would need to check with a few insurance companies to see what there view would be if it is a colleague giving a lift to a friend who also happens to be a fellow employee then i would say you are giving a lift to that person back to their home same as you might give a lift to someone taken them to a from work to save money on driving to cars. i don't see needing business insurance would be justified on the very rare case you might happen to help out someone who isn't feeling well. But if you plan on putting a procedure in place that Joe bloggs gives anyone who feels ill to take them home or to hospital then that might be a different matter as this is an eventuality that you have planned for and identified a specific role to a person. My personal view is not to waste the ambulance service time for anything that isn't life threatening or likely to risk the causality's condition further. It's wasting the ambulance service time for more urgent calls. plus they are more than likely to make it a non priority call for someone that fells a bit unwell. also you are risking the lives of the ambulance crew who will be running on sirens and lights for no good reason. People who phone for an ambulance for what is clearly a minor injury that could be treated at the local A&E and isn't urgent or remotely life threatening are as good as hoax callers to the fire service. Sorry but that's my honest opinion if you think the causality life or health might be at risk then phone 999 if it isn't at risk and just a minor injury then transport to the local A&e yourself and the company should have a procedure for that. Sorry went slightly of topic from the original post Phil
PhilBeale  
#7 Posted : 04 August 2010 16:52:00(UTC)
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PhilBeale

there's some information on here about 999 service also priority a call will be given. http://www.southcentrala...uk/our-services/999.ashx http://www.southcentrala...our%20Call%20Journey.pdf Phil
Ciarán Delaney  
#8 Posted : 04 August 2010 17:01:51(UTC)
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I would have to agree with Phil and Ray. Each case has to assessed on its merits, if the casualty can be transported via taxi without the necessity of the "blues and twos", then do so. Ambulance service should only be utilised when it is an emergency.
PhilBeale  
#9 Posted : 04 August 2010 17:07:58(UTC)
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PhilBeale

Thanks Ciaran it's not just me that think the emergency services are just that an emergency service. we use to send a first aider as well as the driver if someone need to go to A&E or with the taxi driver as the taxi company assisted on it. if the person should take the turn for the worst for some unforeseen reason then you can easily call for an ambulance while you are at the side of the road. there's a lot to be considered when planning for such events including how far the hospital or A&E are from your premises. For use it was quicker to drive to the hospital than it was to wait for the ambulance
Canopener  
#10 Posted : 04 August 2010 21:03:14(UTC)
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Canopener

I tend to agree with what Ray and Phil have said. Plant your feet on the ground, keep things in perspective. Depending on the nature of the illness or injury some may need to be accompanied (by a first aider - maybe?) and some won't. I do not advocate '..an ambulance every time..' that would IMVHO be, unreasonable, and bordering on the perverse.
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