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#1 Posted : 11 August 2010 13:02:15(UTC)
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Hi, Learned Friends, I was hoping to get some feedback on an issue either your thoughts or experiances. Lets use the Fire Alarm as a hypothetical example; If you service it on the 7th July and if fails so a certificate comes back from your contractor saying unsatisfactory and lists the remedial work required to make it legally compliant. So this work is then completed a month later lets say on the 10th August. Firstly do you expect/demand another certificate that says Satisfactory or do you accept the original unsatisfactory certificate with the invoice and worksheet as proof of it now being satisfactory. Secondly, If you do recieve a satisfactory cert, does it have the 7th July date or the 10th August date where the remedials were complete because in theory it wouldnt have been tested again just the remedial work completed. This scenario would also obviously apply to the Emergency lighting. Please let me have your thoughts on this Alan
Ciarán Delaney  
#2 Posted : 11 August 2010 13:21:52(UTC)
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(a) I would have expected a certificate and being blunt, they don't get paid until the certificate is handed in to me. (b) If they tried to back date the certificate, are they not guilty of uttering a false document as they have stated in writing that the system was not legally compliant. (c) I would demand a new certificate dated from the 10th August 2010 and if they wouldn't give it to me from that date, cancel the cheque, get a new company to certify the system, let the previous company explain their behaviour to a court whilst advising them at the same time that you'll be letting the local press know that they are trying to screw businesses. Why not pm Andy Furness (Chair of the Fire Risk Management Group) for advice, but don't dare pay for a back dated cert as in my opinion, it wouldn't stand up in court on the basis of the information you have supplied
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#3 Posted : 11 August 2010 16:40:38(UTC)
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Thanks Ciaran, I agree with (a) also (b) and nobody has tried to backdate, remember this is hypothetical :) With reagrd to (C) what i am saying is that surely a certificate is to prove that at that snapshot of time the system was compliant so when they complete the remedials on the 10th August they are not completing the full test again just the remedials so how can they give a cert for something they have not retested and who is to say that in the 6 weeks since the original something else is not now defective? So wouldnt the cert dated the 10th Aug be guestimate rather than factual? Thanks again Alan
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