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Doobrifurkin  
#1 Posted : 19 August 2010 13:42:02(UTC)
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Doobrifurkin

Having read through a previous topic regarding PAT TESTING - Quick question at the following link - http://forum.iosh.co.uk/...spx?g=posts&t=96560, which debates legal standing, requirement status or otherwise for the activity of PAT testing, I would like to seek clarification of a similar matter, Face Fit Test - Legal Requirement or not?

I have had many an argument on the matter, with a number of collegues I have worked with and would like to seek another professionals opinion.

Thanks and Best Regards,
freelance safety  
#2 Posted : 19 August 2010 13:46:51(UTC)
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freelance safety

cannot open link, can you explain - which face fit testing you are refering too please.
Bob Howden  
#3 Posted : 19 August 2010 13:52:16(UTC)
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Bob Howden


I will be interested in the replies to this as well, which I presume is related to the COSHH Regulations and the need for Respiratory Protection to be used.

I currently advise that Face-Fit Testing should be carried out, but I have not found anymore than guidance to support this. We use LEV and our monitoring suggests that exposure to potentially harmful dusts and fumes is very low.
Doobrifurkin  
#4 Posted : 19 August 2010 13:54:54(UTC)
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Doobrifurkin

Freelance Safety,
The topic I mentioned is contained within this discussion forum and was initiated by cantona. It is placed about 5 topics under this. It debated the legal standing / requirement of PAT testing and where it applies etc....

The face fit testing (FFT) I am referring to are to both disposable and maintained items of RPE. I would like to have clarified, if FFT is a legal requirement for these types of RPE and if it is, which one and why?

I have a vague idea on what the answer is, but wanted to challenge others in the field, better versed on this matter.
freelance safety  
#5 Posted : 19 August 2010 14:05:23(UTC)
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freelance safety

Well, as I’m unsure as to the usage of RPE I’ll try and give an answer. As an example, we can take the asbestos regs, RPE regardless of disposable or not requires face-fit testing.

It’s actually in the ACoP (covered by reg 14 if memory serves me correctly) and HSE regularly check licensed contractors compliance. It’s classed as a must duty, regardless of cost/inconvenience.

Failures may result in addition restrictions being placed on the licence and enforcement notices issued.

Does this help?
Stewart C  
#6 Posted : 19 August 2010 14:10:09(UTC)
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Stewart C

Extraction from HSE Operational Circular- 1 -OC 282/28

LEGAL REQUIREMENTS
5 The Approved Codes of Practice (ACoPs) supporting the Control of Substances
Hazardous to Health Regulations 2002 (COSHH)3, the Control of Lead at Work
Regulations 2002 (CLAW)4, the Control of Asbestos Regulations 2006 (CAR)5
and the Ionising Radiation Regulations 1999 require that all reasonable steps be
taken to prevent exposure to substances hazardous to health, or where
prevention is not possible, to reduce exposure to the lowest level reasonably
practicable.
6 If, despite the use of suitable control measures (i.e. other than RPE) adequate
control of exposure cannot be achieved, employers must provide suitable RPE
(COSHH Regulations reg.7(3)(c), CLAW Regulations reg.6(3)(c), CAR
Regulations reg.11(4)). The RPE provided must reduce the exposure to a
concentration that is as low as reasonably practicable, and in any case below
any applicable exposure or control limits.
7 The ACoPS 3, 4, 5, supporting the COSHH, CLAW and CAR Regulations
recommend that the initial selection of tight-fitting facepieces should include a fit
test. This is to ensure that the selected RPE has the potential to provide
adequate protection for the wearer (L5 paragraph 150, L143 paragraph 196 and
L132 paragraph 133). The circumstances where repeat fit testing is needed are
referred to in L5 paragraph 151, L143 paragraph 197 and L132 paragraph 134.
8 The employer must have documented evidence of the characteristics of the RPE
to be used (CAR reg.7(4)(d)). Similar requirements are described in COSHH
reg.6(4)(b), and CLAW reg.5(4)(b). These requirements are there to ensure that
the RPE provided is suitable. The evidence to support the suitability will include
fit test reports for facepieces with tight-fitting face seals.
9 Fit test reports should be available for all employees who wear RPE
incorporating tight-fitting facepieces. Fit test records should be retained by the
employer. These records must be kept available for inspection on request.

Regards,

Stewart
teh_boy  
#7 Posted : 19 August 2010 14:10:12(UTC)
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teh_boy

Tis also a requirement of COSHH

I don't have time to find exact regs but also note that now it is also a requirment that fit testers are trained by a competent body see:

http://www.hse.gov.uk/fo...od/oc/200-299/282_28.pdf

freelance safety  
#8 Posted : 19 August 2010 14:13:42(UTC)
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freelance safety


I think this has been collectively well answered.
teh_boy  
#9 Posted : 19 August 2010 14:48:01(UTC)
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teh_boy

freelance safety wrote:

I think this has been collectively well answered.



wow - I was 3 seconds too slow for any credit myself :)

Forums are on a roll today, some good answers on several topics, maybe we should start debating if this is RIDDOR reportable :)
Alanpix  
#10 Posted : 19 August 2010 16:17:17(UTC)
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Alanpix

Tight fitting face pieces rely on a good seal with the wearers face. To ensure this, it is an ACOP requirement to carry face fit tests. I believe it is only required where a risk assessment shows that an unacceptable level of risk from exposure remains after other reasonably practicable controls have been applied.
If you refer to the Operational Circular previously mentioned (HSE OC 282/28) it states that where it can be clearly demonstrated via risk assessment that the respirator is being used for comfort rather than as an essential control measure, then face fit testing is not required.
One way to achieve this would be to confirm by monitoring that contamination remains (well) below any assigned workplace exposure limits.
Bob Howden  
#11 Posted : 20 August 2010 09:19:20(UTC)
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Bob Howden

My apologies first if I appear to be labouring the point but I am still a little confused after reading all the responses again. It would seem that it is only an absolute legal requirement in certain circumstances.

Stewart C has helpfully supplied an extract from the HSE Operational Circular which in Paragraph 7 says it is a ‘recommendation’.

Paragraph 6 covers the provision of RPE where despite the use of suitable control measures control of exposure cannot be achieved.

Alanpix makes an interesting point that where RPE is being provided for comfort then face-fit testing is not required.

So if for example we are dealing with a small woodworking shop where a full LEV system has been installed which is interlocked with all the woodworking equipment. The LEV exhausts to collection bins outside the building. The LEV system is regularly maintained and inspected. The workshop is regularly vacuumed and dry brushing is prohibited. Health surveillance is in place. Operatives are encouraged to wear Type 3 masks as an additional precautionary measure. Previous monitoring history indicates that dust levels are well below the Workplace Exposure Limit.
In these circumstances I’m not convinced that face-fit testing is an absolute necessity, although I do understand that we should provide operatives with information on the correct use of the RPE and how to make sure that they provide the correct level of protection. Face-fit testing would be one way of achieving this.

I would be grateful for any other comments to clarify my understanding of this subject area.

Thanks


firestar967  
#12 Posted : 20 August 2010 09:32:19(UTC)
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Is there some confusion here as face fit testing has different levels dependant on the type of RPE used. For use with half mask qualitative face fit test can be carried out. With a full face mask (e.g. non-positive, positive) a quantitative test would be required. So if using a half mask it is no real hardship to test these and can be done as part of the users training IMHO.
descarte8  
#13 Posted : 20 August 2010 11:57:10(UTC)
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descarte8

Bob I would suggest if you have surveyed the dust levels and are already complying with the legal limits as stipulated in EH40 there is no reliance on the RPE to protect against health effects. All you are doing is reducing any exposures even further as it is practical to do so. Do they need a face fit on a P3 to do this? Practically I would suggest not, there is no reliance on the RPE to control the risk to below hazardous levels (which is likely only nusiance dust levels anyway), any protection factor offered by the mask is better than none even if it is not working to 100% efficiency.

However, if individuals are complaining of irritation from the dust you should either re-assess your controls or re-survey exposures. If it turns out there is a reliance on the RPE either increase your controls, or face fit test individuals to ensure that where a reliance is on RPE to control the hazard it is working adequately to reduce concentrations inside the mask to below the relevant exposure limit.

If you only have 2-3 individuals wearing these masks it may be practical to just bite the bullet and get them fit tested by an external company such as Arco for peace of mind and at little cost.
Stewart C  
#14 Posted : 20 August 2010 12:32:19(UTC)
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Stewart C

Bob
Just to expand a little on my post.
The HSE Operational Circular is a document that provides guidance to inspectors on how to enforce face fit testing. If they inspect your site and find an operative wearing a tight fitting face piece they shall ask to see the face fit testing records for the operative. If you cannot provide them then the inspector is guided on that basis to issue an enforcement notice.

In order to avoid being issued with an enforcement notice your occupational health monitoring evidence must be very expansive and specific to the task being undertaken.
I have experience in working in the woodworking environment that you describe, and often tasks such as cleaning, hand routering and hand sanding produce dust that is very difficult to control by engineering controls alone.
As for the legal perspective; face fit testing is referenced in the ACoPs of several regulations and the HSE have been issued with enforcement guidance. This should speak volumes.
I have always taken the view, and it has been confirmed when talking with HSE inspectors on visits to woodworking premises, that face fit testing is a legal requirement.
If you still have doubts re read the ACoPs for the regulations in my previous post and take your chances.

Regards,

Stewart
jay  
#15 Posted : 20 August 2010 14:50:10(UTC)
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jay

We are simply playing with the pedantics of what is essentially non-prescriptive legislation, i.e COSHH etc.

In this day and age, you will not find it in the text of the regulations the explicit requirement to fit test, but the ACoP does cover it. Therefore, by not carrying out fit-testing, how are you going to demonstrate that "equivalent or better" control has been acheived??

Therefore, fit testing indeed meets a legal requirement of Regulation 7 of COSHH, i.e "Prevention or control of exposure to substances hazardous to health"



descarte8  
#16 Posted : 20 August 2010 15:00:30(UTC)
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descarte8

"Therefore, by not carrying out fit-testing, how are you going to demonstrate that "equivalent or better" control has been acheived??"

By conducting monitoring surveys showing that exposures are well below the exposure limit, least we forget that PPE/RPE is a last resort!?

As he says "Previous monitoring history indicates that dust levels are well below the Workplace Exposure Limit."

Surely where it has been show that exposures are not a hazard to health in every job for every workplace you do not dictate that people have to wear RPE as well anyway. In this instance the choice to wear RPE is not to control hazardous exposures and thus a danger to health, it is however reduce exposure even further, perhaps due to minor irritation or discomfort. Would a face fit test prove this further reduction? Yes. Is it needed in this instance? I would still argue no.
Bob Howden  
#17 Posted : 20 August 2010 15:04:49(UTC)
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Bob Howden


Many thanks for expanding on the advice already given. This has provided the clarity I was looking for. As stated in my first post we already advise that face-fit testing is required and now have a stronger case to back up this advice.

Thanks again
jde  
#18 Posted : 20 August 2010 16:17:58(UTC)
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jde

Having recently attended a seminar were the HSE inspector with OH speciality was talking on this subject, she clearly stated that the HSE would take the opinion that anyone requiring to wear a facemask, should be FFT and records maintained
descarte8  
#19 Posted : 20 August 2010 19:30:13(UTC)
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descarte8

There is no requirement to wear a face mask here, so I guess no face fit test required...
freelance safety  
#20 Posted : 20 August 2010 19:34:41(UTC)
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freelance safety

I'm wearing my Friday night mask!
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