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Reed21854  
#1 Posted : 23 August 2010 15:47:20(UTC)
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Reed21854

Hi there Although we should have done face fit testing we have not done it yet. I work for an electrical company and sometimes our guys have to drill into brick work or concrete to put fixings in for containment etc. I'm after some advice on face fit testing for disposable FFP3 masks. I am thinking of buying the hood, nebulisers and solutions we need to do this in house. Most of our guys are out on site all the time so if I can visit them on site to do the test this seems like the best option. However, I am interested in your views on training for the person doing the test. The people selling the kit say there is no particular training requirement as it comes with instructions and a DVD. I would appreciate other people's experiences of how easy it is to do the tests and whether they agree re: the training aspect. All comments gratefully received.
A Kurdziel  
#2 Posted : 23 August 2010 16:04:58(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

I do the face fit testing for our site using the nebulisers etc and I was told by our supplier something similar but whoever does the testing will need to be competent. I think that they need to: 1. Be familiar with the sort of masks that they come across 2. Know how to fit them correctly, I am surprised how many people put on a face mask incorrectly including one guy who used to wear his upside down! 3. Careful when you record the results of the tests- check the HSE site for recommendations on what to record. 4. Don’t expect the masks to fit every one, there is a huge variation in sizes and shapes of faces and some chin less wonders are a nightmare to fit correctly. So always look at alternative types of mask. If you want there is a course run by the HSL about this see http://www.hsl.gov.uk/tr...troductory-workshop.aspx
Bob Howden  
#3 Posted : 23 August 2010 16:15:04(UTC)
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Bob Howden

More information in this thread http://forum.iosh.co.uk/...aspx?g=posts&t=96603 which has just slipped out of site. All you need to know in the HSE Circular
Birchall31628  
#4 Posted : 24 August 2010 08:55:39(UTC)
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Birchall31628

We purchased a rather expensive piece of equipment, from TSI (Portacount) to enable us to carry out in house face fit testing ourselves. Our team is made up of Certified Competent Persons (Asbestos), however I was challenged that our tests were not independent. This was stated by the HSE Inspector, so we now have to go out and use a supplier of consumables to carry out our tests. Are these competent to do this? I doubt it. At the time of the HSE visit, there was no such scheme that existed to accredit individual users of the equipment (portacount). Now I think there is, via HSL. Just a word of caution on disposable face masks. It's extremely difficult to achieve a face fit for these, they leak. The half mask, single or ideally twin cartridge are better fits. The only problem is that they are not so discreet, so if you are working in a care home, for example, you are not scaring everyone walking passed a window, about to sample a suspect asbestos sample wearing a respirator.
chris.packham  
#5 Posted : 24 August 2010 11:03:19(UTC)
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chris.packham

Nothing to do with the actual mask, but I have a little device that I purchased in a DIY store in Germany. It attaches to the hose of a vacuum cleaner. You place it on the wall and drill the hole through a small opening in the device. It really does collect the dust from drilling such that I cannot detect any outside the device. Saves time in cleaning up afterwards. I haven't seen anything similar in the UK. If anyone is interested drop me your e-mail via PM and I will send you a picture. Chris
Martin Mulholland  
#6 Posted : 24 August 2010 14:13:14(UTC)
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Martin Mulholland

There is no formal qualification for Face Fit Testing but, as suggested, there is a need to demonstrate competency. There are many courses available for this - I recently attended one given by the Health and Safety Laboroatories (HSL) which was excellent (see A Kurdziel's link). There is great guidance for this in HSG53 "Respiratory protective equipment at work: A practical guide" Also look at OC 282/28 "FIT TESTING OF RESPIRATORY PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT FACEPIECES" Note that you will be OK for testing by Qualitative methods for P3 for a filtering facepiece or half face mask only - not a full fask mask respirator - for this you would need to use quantitative methods like the Portacount system (expensive - as Birchall31628 suggests). Although there is no requirement for competency, as stated, there is a scheme that promotes competency in this area - Fit 2 Fit (www.fit2fit.org/) - this is backed by HSE and BSIF. This is something worth considering worth attaining as i'm sure this will become an industry standard in the coming years.
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