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What rating of fire door would you suggest for 10 flats in one building with only one escape route 2 floors Communal kitchens
Clients could be foreign. I feel 60 minutes due to sleeping accomodation , protecting routes etc.
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The guide states 30 mins, but your fra could suggest different?
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co minutes would be normal as this would bve what most buildings are constructed to (walls ceilings etc) so by installing a 60 minute fire door you would also need to upgrade the walls ceilings for the door to have any real meaning.
Also you still need a means to raise the alarm whether you have a 60, 30 or 10 minute fire door makes no difference if there is no means to letting other in the building there is a fire in the first place. Probably more important is to ensure fire doors are not wedged open which might be common in such buildings.
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I am intrigued as to how 'foreign clients' could warrant 60 fire doors, when most hotels (full of those dangerous foreigners) are fitted with FD30
Tell me more....
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These flats will be the homes for medical staff. In the past some of the staff rather than use communal kitchens use camping stoves for cooking. They have also ignored alarms and preferred not to evacuate, there are no fire marshalls, so are you getting my point, different cultures sometimes bring along different ways of adapting to situations, Plus these are not hotel situations
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SBH wrote:These flats will be the homes for medical staff. In the past some of the staff rather than use communal kitchens use camping stoves for cooking. They have also ignored alarms and preferred not to evacuate, there are no fire marshalls, so are you getting my point, different cultures sometimes bring along different ways of adapting to situations, Plus these are not hotel situations
SB
i think if you had provided this information at the start then people can fully comment. But if they are medical staff then they should understand why the rules are in place and make it clear camping stoves are not allowed and if they are found in the rooms then they will be evicted. Improved fire detection is probably going to be the best route to go to ensure fire detection is in all flats/ rooms if they are sharing facilities then it would fall under a premises of multiple occupancy.
they should be instructed on the need to evacuate from the premises if the fire alarm sounds they may be ignoring it because they get so many false alarms (probably due to going in their rooms etc). ultimately if they fail to respond to a fire alarm and chose to stay in their rooms then they may well pay the ultimate price. so long as you have done all you can.
As said before installing 60 minute fire doors isn't going to make a difference unless the rest of the room has 60 minute fire rating. if they ignore the fire alarm any way it will just mean they will die in an hour rather than 30 minutes. 30 minutes should be adequate for the alarm to be raised and for everyone to escape.
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Are you suggesting we should adopt the cultures of the different nationalities who come to this country to live and work?
Definitely not - how many different sets of rules would you need just for that one premises? We should be educating everyone to work from the same rules - our rules and if they choose not to then do not allow them into the community.
This is not a racist comment but one that states all for one and one rule for all.
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SBH. I can see your dilemma
Surely as we are talking about staff (regardless of ethnic origin) and not members of the public (as in a hotel), discipline is the way forward here. By that, I mean establishing a set of rules, communicating them effectively and enforcing them.
Resorting to asking my NHS (or an employer) to spend considerable amounts of cash on excessive FS measures such as FD60s, rather than rollocking the staff concerned, is difficult to justify.
I do sympathise with your situation as I worked for many years with NHS Trusts who employed numerous arrogant idiots and 'won't-be-tolds'. You simply cannot keep changing the environment to suit these ignorant attitudes. You have to change the attitudes, in the main by getting senior management to support you.
Now there's a challenge, as many of those arrogant idiots are also senior managers!!!
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