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m  
#1 Posted : 27 August 2010 08:23:48(UTC)
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m

I have been requested to authorise the the lending of a new ladder (so in good condition) so that an employee can fix his guttering over the weekend. Other than ensuring the ladder goes and return in good condition I don't think I need to consider the work at height risk since he is not at work. If we don't lend him the ladder he will hire one and that may be a bit more beaten up than our new one. I have given him the go ahead, any views on this?
Seamusosullivan  
#2 Posted : 27 August 2010 08:26:48(UTC)
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Seamusosullivan

What type of work does this employee normally do?
Dave C  
#3 Posted : 27 August 2010 08:34:35(UTC)
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Dave C

If hired from a reputable company why would you assume that it would be "beaten up"?
DeeJay  
#4 Posted : 27 August 2010 08:51:56(UTC)
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DeeJay

IMO no problem. You state the ladder is in good condition, he will not be at work, he will hire if no loan available.
grim72  
#5 Posted : 27 August 2010 09:06:00(UTC)
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grim72

I see no problem with this whatsoever. Why not print off the HSE guides and let him have a copy when he takes the ladder and ask him to have a read through. Even though he is not at work, there is no harm in reminding him of the need fro safety when using the ladder (common sense or not). http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg402.pdf
m  
#6 Posted : 27 August 2010 09:28:45(UTC)
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m

No disrespect meant to hire shops! Sorry :( The employees is desk based. I will pass on the guidance, thanks
bob youel  
#7 Posted : 27 August 2010 09:42:00(UTC)
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bob youel

Common & civil law still apply! My advice would be to use common sense and appraise the person and then act from there on in e.g. If they are known as being sensible etc [ hey may be rock climbers outside work!] they may be a safe bet and v-verse! NB: If they were to fall and hurt themselves you may lose production and your ladder for a few days! I was involved in a death recently where the police etc were all over everybody because initially it looked like a person doing their own thing outside work was 'lent' a company chain saw. Luckily they had used their own chain saw so no repercussions were present - The point here is that the higher the risk present the more we say 'No' to requests!
Mick Noonan  
#8 Posted : 27 August 2010 10:54:28(UTC)
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Mick Noonan

Have him visually inspect the ladder to make sure that it's in good condition, then require him to sign for receipt of the above. After that I don't see a problem.
A Kurdziel  
#9 Posted : 27 August 2010 13:11:37(UTC)
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A Kurdziel

In theory this should not be a problem. The ladder is being used outside work so Work Height etc do not apply, but the common law of negligence might, so before you lend out any work equipment you had better make sure that it is safe. Before you do that ask yourself do you really have time to spend checking up on these sort of requests for high pressure washers power tools and ladders when you should be doing what we are paid to do ensuring H&S at Work.
grim72  
#10 Posted : 27 August 2010 13:17:02(UTC)
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grim72

A bit of good will can go a long way to removing potential barriers between H&S and employees. By refusing the simple loan of a ladder you could cause more problems in the long run than simply checking the ladder and advising him to be careful etc. Just my opinion.
gj2010  
#11 Posted : 28 August 2010 13:22:43(UTC)
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Hi If you loan a company ladder out, you and the company can become liable in law. And it is for this reason alone that companies 'do not' allow sub-contractors to use company tools or equipment, nor for that matter for employee's to take home and use company tools and equipment. You may find that the companies insurance policy is unlikely to cover domestic use! It is a simpe rule, one that may seem a bit harsh to the uniniated, but one that could save you and your company a lot grief should things go wrong! Regards GJ
David H  
#12 Posted : 28 August 2010 19:16:56(UTC)
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David H

gj - company insurance would not apply to someone not "at work" and doing a bit of DIY at home. As for lending tools to contractors you are correct but they are at work! Agree that the good will gesture is a good thing, you are ensuring the equipment he uses is to a good standard I see no problems lending the ladder, but ensure it is thoroughly checked before it goes back into workplace service David
Horgan42537  
#13 Posted : 28 August 2010 21:45:05(UTC)
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Horgan42537

Hi David, Lending any equipment is a no, no. Just ask yourself what if............ ? Who would be responsible if.... A, B, or C happened ? Any trades person will tell how to avoid such a situation and still get to use the item Hope this reply helps, Regards, GP
frankc  
#14 Posted : 28 August 2010 21:48:43(UTC)
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frankc

m wrote:
I have been requested to authorise the the lending of a new ladder (so in good condition) so that an employee can fix his guttering over the weekend. Other than ensuring the ladder goes and return in good condition I don't think I need to consider the work at height risk since he is not at work. If we don't lend him the ladder he will hire one and that may be a bit more beaten up than our new one. I have given him the go ahead, any views on this?
It's not a triple extending 40ft ladder is it, by chance?
mgray  
#15 Posted : 30 August 2010 23:36:08(UTC)
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mgray

I have to agree with grim72 basic common sense must prevail. I would have the ladder checked ask him of his experience with ladder work. If none then rethink the situation and give advice on the possible dangers to the inexperienced user and withdraw the offer. If they have past experience then give out the HSE guidance and have the ladder signed for as being in good condition and re-inspect on its return. MG
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