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bluewater  
#1 Posted : 04 September 2010 17:05:56(UTC)
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bluewater

I read somewhere a few months ago that in the next year or so it will be a compulsory requirement to place the above type of hand held fire extinguishers in battery rooms. Can anyone direct me towards the correct legislation for this or offer guidance on it? Thanks in advance.
firesafety101  
#2 Posted : 04 September 2010 17:29:26(UTC)
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firesafety101

I'd like to see the risk assessment.
freelance safety  
#3 Posted : 04 September 2010 17:52:43(UTC)
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freelance safety

As I’m sure you are aware, specialist fire extinguishers are required to tackle Class D flammable metal fires. As you might expect when dealing with such volatile and specialist materials, you need the correct agent for the metal being extinguished. The most common Class D fire extinguishers are 9kg M28 models, whereas the most common UK lithium-extinguishing model is the 9kg L2. You must undertake a comprehensive risk assessment, as has been mentioned. In terms of legislation, this is already covered under The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005. Also worth mentioning that you should also provide suitable and sufficient training in the use of extinguishers, following your risk assessment process. Hope this helps?
bluewater  
#4 Posted : 06 September 2010 11:08:17(UTC)
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bluewater

Thanks guys
PhilBeale  
#5 Posted : 06 September 2010 12:21:49(UTC)
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PhilBeale

I've been puzzling over this topic for a couple of days and struggling to think of the correct fire extinguisher to use in such as situation. I can understand the reasoning behind the use of a class D extinguisher but i think there are so many more hazards within there that might make trying to use a fire extinguisher risks, mainly the explosive atmosphere from the battery's gassing of and also the acid that would have been spilt from the battery's and also the possible electrocution risk. Class D will deal with flammable metals but not sure if that would be the overriding risk as i'm not sure of the likelihood of the metal to reach such a temperature to be a risk i would have thought the acids and explosive atmosphere would be a greater hazard. Maybe it's some one with a fire-fighter background could comment on , but certainly would need specialist training. My thought would be to leave well alone due to so many risks I think initial fire fighting would be OK but once you get into having to use class D extinguisher then so many other hazards would be present it would be wise to evacuate the area. Phil
freelance safety  
#6 Posted : 06 September 2010 12:27:08(UTC)
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freelance safety

Phil, I’d agree this requires a professional to risk assess. Their may be many factors that we are unaware of form the initial post; location, access/egress, personnel etc…… So, we can only provide basic assistance. This is why a suitably competent person needs to undertake the assessments.
PhilBeale  
#7 Posted : 06 September 2010 13:03:45(UTC)
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PhilBeale

I carry out FRA and this would be out of my realms of knowledge from a fire extinguisher selection point of view, far to many variables. i would say initial fire fight while small with powder or co2 after that get out and stay out. the fire would have to be well developed for a class D extinguisher to be required which in my mind the other hazards would be to great to even attempt to tackle. Hopefully specific legislation on this (class D extinguishers in battery rooms) is just a roamer As i can see it placing people in unnecessary risk given all the hazards are far to many and all present very high risks. Phil
bluewater  
#8 Posted : 06 September 2010 21:34:30(UTC)
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bluewater

Guy's, Further info for your perusal. I work on an offshore oil and gas installation, where we have three main battery rooms (none of which are much lager than an average house room). All have one point of entry/exit, directly into open air areas. None of the batteries we have are the lithium type. My original question was...will it shortly be a legal requirement to have class 'D' extinguishers in these locations? which is what I read some where over the last few months?....sorry can't remember where!
Alex Petrie  
#9 Posted : 06 September 2010 21:42:38(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

Bluewater, I'm not aware of a change coming up - I'd suggest that the requirement for extinguishers is already in place. Does the Fire (Scotland) Act 2005 and the Fire Safety (Scotland) Regulations 2006 apply to offshore locations? If not, what would be the equivalent? Does that help, or have you already looked in that direction?
Ken Slack  
#10 Posted : 07 September 2010 10:57:36(UTC)
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Ken Slack

On a different slant, Should the company in question not also be looking at replacing the batteries with less hazardous models, for example gel filled batteries? Just a thought, control and all that....
freelance safety  
#11 Posted : 07 September 2010 10:58:16(UTC)
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freelance safety

Good point Ken.
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