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Dunn37330  
#1 Posted : 02 September 2010 13:58:41(UTC)
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Dunn37330

The Control of Asbestos Regulations 2006 state that training should be provided by someone who is competent to do so, who has had adequate practical experience and who has a theoretical knowledge of all relevant aspects of the work being carried out by the employer. What would you suggest are the minimum requirements of a trainer in this case??? I deliver other types of awareness training, I have researched asbestos as part of my job, been involved in health briefings to workers where asbestos was discovered and I am familiar with the clients asbestos procedures (including emergency procedures). Is this sufficient practical experience? I have not attended asbestos training or been involved in the identification of asbestos. Would be interested in your opinions . . .
Chrishutcheson  
#2 Posted : 02 September 2010 14:25:39(UTC)
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Chrishutcheson

I would be of the opinion that you attend formal training in addition to what you have described due to the nature of the risks, control measures and contingency. Unless you are formally trained or have significant detailed experience in a specific area you should not be training others in it. Look at it this way, you will learn and take something from it even if you think you know all there is to know about asbestos. Additionally you will probably pick up new techniques, controls or equipment that you weren't otherwise exposed to and no-one will be able to question your expertise on the subject.
Chrishutcheson  
#3 Posted : 02 September 2010 14:25:39(UTC)
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Chrishutcheson

I would be of the opinion that you attend formal training in addition to what you have described due to the nature of the risks, control measures and contingency. Unless you are formally trained or have significant detailed experience in a specific area you should not be training others in it. Look at it this way, you will learn and take something from it even if you think you know all there is to know about asbestos. Additionally you will probably pick up new techniques, controls or equipment that you weren't otherwise exposed to and no-one will be able to question your expertise on the subject.
Alex Petrie  
#4 Posted : 02 September 2010 15:11:30(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

Hi Dunn, there are asbestos training organisations who might be able to help. Try the United Kingdom Asbestos Training Association or the Independent Asbestos Training Providers - they might be able to give you advice on what qualifications / experience a trainer should have. Failing that, prepare your own material using the headings from Reg 10 of the asbestos regulations which specifies what information should be included in an asbestos awareness course. A
Dunn37330  
#5 Posted : 02 September 2010 16:22:52(UTC)
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Dunn37330

Thanks both, I was feeling fairly confident in my ability until someone questioned what my practical experience was!! I am booked on an asbestos course next week which should help also. Jayne
TFCSM  
#6 Posted : 02 September 2010 18:46:51(UTC)
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TFCSM

The company that I work for has just applied to UKATA for accredited to deliver asbestos awareness training. Although I was not involved in the application process I believe to gain the accreditation the two nominated people on the application form had to have the minimum P402 and 3 years practical experience of working in the surveying industry.
boblewis  
#7 Posted : 03 September 2010 17:22:00(UTC)
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boblewis

Without practical experience of the work I feel you are lacking somewhat to be termed competent - as a personal view Bob
Dunn37330  
#8 Posted : 05 September 2010 08:20:28(UTC)
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Dunn37330

Bob - practical experience of the work and work environment is not a problem. Its the practical experience in terms of asbestos. I don't intend to sell myself as a asbestos trainer, more in-house awareness training i.e. what to do if you suspect, how to report etc.
boblewis  
#9 Posted : 05 September 2010 11:25:38(UTC)
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boblewis

It is the limited experience of asbestos work that concerns me Bob
Alex Petrie  
#10 Posted : 05 September 2010 23:52:20(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

Dunn, Have you ever smoked AIB, or sprinkled old lagging on your Christmas tree like snow? I'm struggling to see exactly what 'experience' would be required to make you competent to discuss an emergency procedure with your colleagues. A
frankc  
#11 Posted : 06 September 2010 07:53:13(UTC)
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frankc

If you were training someone to remove it safely without experience of working with asbestos, then that would be a major problem. As for making people aware of where they might find it and what NOT to do with it, that would be different in my humble opinion. Geography teachers don't have to circumnavigate the world do they? and History teachers don't have to have been in Hastings around 1066.... :-)
Birchall31628  
#12 Posted : 06 September 2010 10:37:21(UTC)
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Birchall31628

There are alot of developments with IATP so please keep a look on the web site.
Alex Petrie  
#13 Posted : 06 September 2010 12:03:25(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

I know Frank, that's my point. According to the OP, he is merely providing awareness training. If they were engaged in removal works, then he does of course have some more work to do.
Clairel  
#14 Posted : 06 September 2010 12:21:33(UTC)
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Clairel

I'm with Alex and Frank. Delivering Asbestos Awareness Training does not require experience of working with asbestos (and if you read the UKTA guidelines it says that for asbestos awareness training you need H&S or asbestos experience). As long as the trainer themselves knows about asbestos, has H&S experience and preferably a training qualification, then that should suffice. I have never worked with asbestos but I do provide asbestos awareness training for clients. I have been trained myself in asbestos awareness (by the HSE and in my post grad) and I put together my training presentation based on the UKTA guidelines for content of asbestos awareness training. It took me a very long time to put the presentation together to make sure it was comprehensive enough....and no, no one can have it as it took a lot of work for me to put it together and I charge for my services!! ;-)
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