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Ken Slack  
#1 Posted : 06 September 2010 15:24:14(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Hi all you fire door guru's. I work for a large law enforcement agency, some of our accommodation is dated to say the least. Some of our fire doors do not incorporate cold smoke seals or intumescent strips. They do however close fully into a jamb/frame and the edges of the door are covered by the frame itself. I have been led to believe by a colleague that this complies with current BS Standards, is this correct? The doors comply in all other standards i.e. vision panels, self cosing arms etc. Thanks in anticipation
firestar967  
#2 Posted : 06 September 2010 22:08:31(UTC)
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Probably be proved wrong here but if memory serves me right there mustn't be any gap more then 3mm wide at any point.
Connolly900476  
#3 Posted : 06 September 2010 22:19:59(UTC)
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Connolly900476

Ken Slack wrote:
Hi all you fire door guru's. I work for a large law enforcement agency, some of our accommodation is dated to say the least. Some of our fire doors do not incorporate cold smoke seals or intumescent strips. They do however close fully into a jamb/frame and the edges of the door are covered by the frame itself. I have been led to believe by a colleague that this complies with current BS Standards, is this correct? The doors comply in all other standards i.e. vision panels, self cosing arms etc. Thanks in anticipation
Try these guys: The Intumescent Fire Seals Association and The Fire Resisting Glass & Glazed Systems Association: 20 Park Street Princes Risborough Bucks HP27 9AH Tel: 01844 275500
PhilBeale  
#4 Posted : 07 September 2010 09:07:26(UTC)
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PhilBeale

The doors wouldn't comply with the modern standard but probably complied when they where installed. But equally we don't want to be ripping perfectly good fire doors out just because the standard has moved on. Each situation is going to be different to whether you need to do anything to the doors from total replacement to maybe retro fitting new seals. This could depend on alternative means of escape. fire detection within the building (smoke or just manual call points) use of the building (offices or sleeping accommodation) users familiarity with the building Alternative escape staircases. Hopefully that may be of use but someone will need to make a judgement call if they are suitable but rest assured that there are millions of fire doors that don't have cold seals or intumescent strips. Ensuring the doors are in good condition and fully close are just as important as well as ensuring they aren't wedged open with a fire extinguisher which seems all to common even these days. Phil
Ken Slack  
#5 Posted : 07 September 2010 10:26:11(UTC)
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Ken Slack

Thanks guys, I will ensure that the issue is included on the FRA and update it where necessary, the lack of intumescent strip appears to be the only real issue, there are alternative escape routes, the accommodation is office use only, although 24 hours. There is good service from fire detectors and call points, and fire maintenance is all in order. Now to get them to put the fire extinguishers back !! :)
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