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GarethS  
#1 Posted : 07 September 2010 16:16:59(UTC)
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GarethS

Afternoon all, Other than the requirements within the Health and Safety at Work etc Act is anyone aware of any HSE (or other) guidance with regard to landlord/tenant requirements in mixed/multiple occupancy (or tenancy) offices. In particular I am thinking the serviced office industry and items such as fire procedures, fire warden provision, etc. E.g. I would expect a tenant to be responsible for appropriate DSE assessment of their staff but in a furnished office the burden to be on the landlord/provider to supply suitable workstations. But where is the line drawn with fire wardens, should the landlord be advising how many fire wardens a tenant and/or floor needs, as you will not necessarily have the landlord/provider with an employee on each floor who can act as fire warden. Any thoughts/information on this welcomed, particularly if there are any clear guidance documents out there.
Ron Hunter  
#2 Posted : 07 September 2010 16:45:18(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

H&S Legislation is more concerned with employer (in some specific instances, e.g. asbestos) specific duty holder responsibilities. Landlords may be entirely absent. If they are on site though, better to consider them as another employer and then consider the context of Regs 11 & 12 of Management Regs (see L21) and similar for Fire Safety.
freelance safety  
#3 Posted : 07 September 2010 18:35:35(UTC)
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freelance safety

GarethS, this is a very difficult question to answer without understanding and having knowledge of the scope of your particular situation. So with a generalist head-on I’ll try and give some practical scenario’s/situation’s relating to landlords. FIRE:- With reference to alterations to premises, there are several points concerning premises that are owned or managed by third parties, eg landlords, housing associations, managing agents, etc. The physical features that may require adjustment include building approaches, access ramps, exits, fittings, furniture, equipment or materials. DISABILITY:- The Disability Discrimination Act 1995 states that service providers must make reasonable adjustments to ensure that disabled persons can make use of a building's facilities. It is most likely that commercial tenants will be responsible for those areas that they occupy and the landlords will be responsible for the communal areas of the premises, particularly if there is public access. ACCESS/EGRESS:- As an example, in many tenanted premises, lifts will be provided and used in the common areas of the premises and will can be the responsibility of the landlord, who may or may not have a site presence. GarethS, there is a huge amount of case law relating to breaches of health and safety by landlords both for tenanted domestic and commercial property. Most of this relates to the duty of care that should be undertaken. However, many acts and regulations may be imposed on a landlord relating to health and safety, as a few examples:- The Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005. The Disability Discrimination Act 1995. The Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations 1998 (PUWER). The Lifting Operations and Lifting Equipment Regulations 1998 (LOLER). The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 (MHSWR); as mentioned by Ron Hunter. The Occupiers Liability Act 1957 The Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998 Ron is correct in that the majority of the burden rests with the employer. However, to give you a more thorough /comprehensive answer to your question we would require more information. I hope that the above has helped you in some way? PM me directly if you need further advice.
GarethS  
#4 Posted : 09 September 2010 09:14:37(UTC)
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GarethS

Both, Thank you for your information. Ron, I have L21 available and reviewed the particular regulations as while capable of being a generalist (we do have an office) I focus on CDM and Working at Height. Para 74, which states Reg 11 does not apply to the types of sites I am thinking of, proves a bit sticky but hopefully this is something where I can encourage best practice from the involved parties (i.e. co-operate, a bit like CDM requires what I call the 3 Cs). Freelance safety, Thank you for the clarity on the individual items, you have shown that I have gone down the right lines in the regulatory items I have been looking at and allows me to discuss better areas where I have concerns. Regards, Gareth
Ron Hunter  
#5 Posted : 09 September 2010 13:06:04(UTC)
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Ron Hunter

With you now Gareth. I kinda "missed" the serviced office issues. Now that I get that, I'm afraid I can't offer anything specific or prescriptive!
dan3974  
#6 Posted : 09 September 2010 22:21:44(UTC)
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dan3974

it would be very difficult for the landlord to manage some fire safety issues for a buiness he does not control he will be responsible for common areas however if he does not provide suitable genearl fire safety provisions the building may be unuseable it would be reasonable for the landlord to require his tenants to comply with the RRO
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