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szone  
#1 Posted : 08 September 2010 12:06:58(UTC)
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szone



Hi,



I was thinking about doing my p402 in asbestos surveying, just wanted to know people thoughts in the industry ?


Is there still work avilible ?


Is it going to be worth while doing in the long run ?

Is there good money in this ?


I thought it would be benificial to me to obtain other people views and make my decision from there.


Thanks,
Alex Petrie  
#2 Posted : 08 September 2010 14:16:50(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

Hi szone,

I would suggest that asbestos surveying will be around for some time to come. Before you choose a course to sit though, check out the section on Competence in HSG 264 Asbestos: The Survey Guide.

A
szone  
#3 Posted : 08 September 2010 15:20:25(UTC)
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szone

Thanks for the link,


So the p402 isn't enough,


So would you have to shadow someone for 6 months after completion of the course ?


It also says you have to be on 5 at least 5 surveys before becoming a lead survey ?,

So in reality you could do 5 surveys in a day and then argue you are competent ?
Alex Petrie  
#4 Posted : 08 September 2010 16:02:19(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

Well, you could try. As always with these things there is a minimum amount which you must do, but it will depend on the individual if any additional mentoring is required. You would need to show that the day's work shows you a variety of scenarios / ACMs etc. I think the 6-month shadowing element is in there because it'd be hard to achieve this otherwise.

I think the S301 course is the one to go for (I think that's the code for it), which combines study, practical work and an oral exam at the end of the course.

Next thing would be your UKAS accreditation, probably to compare you against HSG 264 in order to prove you follow that guide.

A
Bridger32454  
#5 Posted : 08 September 2010 16:34:36(UTC)
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Bridger32454

Hi szone

As Alex Petrie stated asbestos surveying will be around for some time. The P402 is the starting qualification for an asbestos surveyor, but will easily allow you to get your foot in the door with an asbestos surveying company, it will be whilst working for such an organisation that you will develop your knowledge. My advice would be then to take either P403 & P404 (fibre counting and air testing, qualifications for an analyst)which would make you a very marketable person or P405 which is the mmanagement of asbestos in buildings. The S301 is too big a jump with no previous knowledge of asbestos as it is basically 18 days worth of training in 4 days, very intensive and heavy going.

Hope this helps. I have P402, P402RM, P402RDM, P405, S301.

ITER  
#6 Posted : 08 September 2010 23:36:28(UTC)
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ITER

Ok I'll be the first to admit, apart from the broad principles of asbestos safety I have never been involved with the asbestos industry, through choice - I would quite like to get to receive my pension......

As regards 'good money' - its my impression that the asbestos sector is swamped with surveyors and cut throat prices for work etc with asbestos surveyors, not sure what current day rates are - but the last figure I saw was £200 day, so I woudn't rate this as 'good money'.

Personally if I were you I would try getting into safety engineering at quite good contract rates - not too difficult to make £80-90k pa.
Birchall31628  
#7 Posted : 09 September 2010 08:24:39(UTC)
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Birchall31628

I agree that the market is saturated with asbestos surveyors at cut throat rates. I have been surveying for over 10 years now and I still come across alot of suprises in identification of ACMs.
You should consider some initial health and safety training such as Nebosh Cert, CITB SMSTS before you go onto the BOHS P402. It may help you to consider the other hazards associated with asbestos surveying, and not just the asbestos. Also, consider the NVQ Level 3 in Occupational Health and Safety whilst working.
szone  
#8 Posted : 09 September 2010 09:10:38(UTC)
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szone

Cheers for the replies guys,


Just to clarify I have my NEBOSH General and also my Bsc (Hons) in health and safety.


ITER - What route would you recommend to getting into safety engineering ?

Thank
ITER  
#9 Posted : 09 September 2010 12:53:15(UTC)
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ITER

A degree in engineering/technology/science etc

EMployment in the oil/gas/petrochem/nuclear sector.

Be prepared to travel and/or work away from home

15-20yrs experience
Julie R  
#10 Posted : 09 September 2010 18:22:04(UTC)
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Julie R

szone wrote:


Hi,



I was thinking about doing my p402 in asbestos surveying, just wanted to know people thoughts in the industry ?


Is there still work avilible ?


Is it going to be worth while doing in the long run ?

Is there good money in this ?


I thought it would be benificial to me to obtain other people views and make my decision from there.


Thanks,

Julie R  
#11 Posted : 09 September 2010 18:24:48(UTC)
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Julie R

Just a thought to consider, I did my P402 with my employer who are a council, to get the qualification you must do a practical assessment, however the Council's insurance policy would not cover us to do this as it was not part of our normal job, so check first before you sign up.

Also read article, I think in SHP re this being the very minimum qualification and that someone would need to be mentored and complete further training before they should start surveying themselves. I would agree, there was no way after only doing this course that I would have felt confident to go and do a survey and feel safe that I had all bases covered!
Alex Petrie  
#12 Posted : 09 September 2010 18:35:53(UTC)
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Alex Petrie

Julie, I think your concerns are why the HSE suggested that surveyors should attend additional courses and be mentored by more experienced colleagues before they go out on their own - which is kinda what I'd tried to say earlier on.

A
szone  
#13 Posted : 10 September 2010 09:05:06(UTC)
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szone

Thanks for the replies,


So basically unless you are working for an asbestos firm or are about to start with one,

There isn't much point in taking the P402 as you will not be able to get the practical experience.

I am assuming that it would be very hard to find a surveyor who will agree to take you along to collect 5 samples due to insurance etc ?

So seems like a very hard industry to get into unless you have managed to land yourself a job within the industry ?


Thanks
bod212  
#14 Posted : 10 September 2010 11:54:27(UTC)
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bod212

I may have posted this elsewhere. We have enquired about other training and accreditation. The ABICS scheme appears to be dead in the water unless someone can me tell otherwise. UKAS/S301/S302 is not an option though, but what else is there out there? I already have P402/ P405 and about 5 years continual experience. I should add that I am currently employed and not looking to change jobs, but I would like to explore other beneficial training.
ITER  
#15 Posted : 10 September 2010 13:02:36(UTC)
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ITER

So seems like a very hard industry to get into unless you have managed to land yourself a job within the industry ?


My observation would be, why would you want to get into this sector? - swamped already by surveyors, poor pay, poor working conditions, health risks
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